Right. Folks, here we are. We're gonna talk about here in episode 2 of this podcast. ADHD, what are you doing? Come on, man. I just got this started. This is only gonna be basically the second episode.

Can't take over the mic right now and just got it rolling. I know. Maybe I just wanted to talk a little bit. I telling people all about this walkabout thing and I finally got the opportunity to be on a podcast.

Just let me talk for a second. I wanna tell everybody about ADHD. Now I've heard you do videos about Jonesie, come on, man. We'll get there in just a second.

Alright. First things first. Guys, I'm Porter. I'm your stop it. They already know all that. You put it in videos. You put it in the initial podcast. Right. So here we are. Like I tried to tell you, my name is Jonesie.

I'm a take you on a walkabout. Now this, yes, Is survival dead YT? You're in the right place, folks. You're in the right place. However, this episode, we're gonna talk about ADHD. Importor? I need a quick second. Alright.

Alright. Go ahead. Right. ADHD is something that I think is very important to discuss. From a few different perspectives, which is why I want to dive into it now before we get too far into other topics. See here's what it comes down to.

If your brain is hyperactive, by whatever definition applies. And you can't seem to focus. Is that an actual disorder Or is it something you can help? See my boy, he's got ADHD. He gets told all the time.

You need to focus more, you need to try harder, you need to pay attention. Alright. It's probably true probably true. But sometimes, it doesn't matter how much you try to focus, you can't. You can't seem to make sense of it.

Right? Here's an example. I had a conversation at 1 point in time in my life. Was somebody Well, the porn is we didn't see eye to eye. Right? We were talking. And my side of the story was pretty simple.

I said we're gonna get into this vehicle. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. I'll give you a bit of a back story. Maybe this will make a bit more sense. I'm on my way to school and I'm a little boy.

Right? Get into the car, about to drive down to school, and I'll get told mind your manners, pay attention, cooperate. Alright. Sounds easy. Sounds easy. Well, there the day goes. I find myself in class.

I don't remember much about the class. I do remember we're talking about think it was study skills. Yeah. Right. Study skills. Now, how do you study? I think was the premise of the class throughout the entirety of the school year.

What good it did me, I don't know. I've had more time as an adult trying to figure out a harder time at that. Not only how to focus, but how to study so that I can retain information.

Now here's the thing. Try to grow a plant with no roots, no matter how good the soil is. Right. To every nutrient mineral in the soil, it's going to try its standards to make a plant.

And to every leaf, do it its best, to synthesize all the photos? It's not gonna grow a plant. No matter how much you tell it, that's what its job is. In either case, right?

So as I'm learning these new topics, initially, I've got 1 of 2 tricks. Right? I'm either hyper focused on whatever the lesson is. That's alright. I need to learn how to study. Well, There's a few different techniques for that.

I can memorize things and say them repeatedly. I can come up with new ways to spell words like a mnemonic device. Right? Or I can write it down. I can meet flashcards. I can study with other people. Sure. Lots of ways to study.

Right? Maybe I can have music in the background, Maybe I can eat while I study. Maybe I don't have to actually sit down and focus much at all. I hear it once and I get it or I do it with my hands and I understand it.

Whatever the way the method is, there's a way to study that works best. Sure. Other days, I don't even remember the fact that you said study 3 words ago, and it started with Welcome to Study Skills class.

Alright. Well, now I'm back. And I realize I'm not actually in this palace. I'm not actually walking through the king's court. I'm not actually playing ball and not actually flying on a cloud with goku or whatever applies.

I'm still in school. See, but it doesn't matter what I do because as soon as I'm conscious and being back in school mentally. Right back out the door. Right?

Retain and information is difficult for a few reasons, namely your memory. Is your memory the bigger issue? Well, maybe. But how? Short term, long term memory, working memory, All the above bits and pieces of both are all of them?

Who knows? As a child does it's difficult to exclaim. As difficult to proclaim, more importantly, it's difficult to talk about in any way with anybody else. Because you don't know how to qualify your own emotions at that point.

I'm here to tell you as an adult and neither do I. See, I got left. It is a kid. School came easy. Social skills did not. So there I was trying to make some friends in school, trying to do different things.

I'm not sure what effort I put into it or or how that exactly panned out. I don't talk to anybody from primary school anymore. However, I'm sure there were people that I did talk to and hang out with at the time. Now, I don't.

That's fine. We grew apart. But But it wasn't my friends that would laugh at me. At least not that I realized they're not in front of me. On occasion there where sure. I've been bit before. I've been spit on. I've had my books taken.

I've been in detention before. Certainly daydreamed as I understand it being called, but in my head, because school did not take too much effort in certain topics, I didn't need to pay attention, so I didn't put any effort into it.

My brain wanted, and it gave me the opportunity to expand and come up with an idea or multiple ideas that I've since turned into things material for this namely? This this conversation, I suppose.

However, some topics I think I probably should have understood a bit better, paid more attention to. Now I got to ask this question, actually, is recent as a few weeks ago. He said let's talk about your memory, Josie.

I said alright, let's talk about it. So what we need to determine is if there's an issue with how you're thinking, that you will just not retain any information because you're not paying attention.

Pardon me bristled a little bit? But once I realized he was just saying there might be a possibility of that being an issue.

I said alright. He said another issue is maybe you are paying attention, but you're not retaining it because there's a chemical issue. Right? I say okay. He said the flip side is.

Maybe there's actually something precluding your ability, or maybe that's not the right word, but precluding your ability. To absorb the information because you're not interested in it, and you just haven't realized that yet.

Is it alright? Well, now I'm intrigued. However, I am not focused 1 bit. This is not something I can think about right now. This is not something I can deal with right now.

This is not something I know how to converse about right now. And he said that's exactly my point. You see, it's not a switch that you can turn on and off. There's there's hyperactivity in your attention span.

It happens. Almost uncontrollably, you've heard people probably say something similar like sometimes people that have seizures that could feel common, but they can't control it. People that stutter, it just comes like a sneeze.

Sometimes you can stifle or sneeze. Other times, it gets a bit worse. Right? Things watering is down a bit, but things a lot like that is how I've come to recognize this. So how do I describe to my son, Ben?

That it's okay to not focus as much in school because it's natural. The flip side don't use it as a crutch, put in some effort. Now, ultimately, he's gonna have to decide for himself as he grows how best to study in his own right.

But do I get him extra attention, extra assistance at school? How do I help him at home? I don't know. Maybe some of your listeners do.

Feel free to send an email or comment or call or whatever Porter's got you guys doing. But The flip side of all of that is sometimes I just lose my train of thought. Right? That happens to everybody, Josie.

Tuffing on mate. Yeah. Alright. Alright. It's 1 thing to hold your remote looking for the remote. It's 1 thing to look for your keys when they're in your pocket. It's another thing to be in the middle of a sentence, forget the end.

It's another thing to come up with the end an hour after you start it. It's another entirely to forget it even started. Is he all of those things being hyper focused on 1 hand or totally zoning out on the other?

Either extreme, Instead of thinking is, these are 2 sides. These are 2 extreme sides at that. Have a particular situation or mindset? That's controllable. If you've never experienced this, think about it, maybe as if What would happen?

Let's talk about critically evaluating for a second, a little bit of reflection, introspection, I'd say. But If you've never experienced that, try to fare them if you will. What that might be like if you couldn't control your brain.

Well then what do you do? Alright. You focus. You sit down. You ready? To learn something new, or learn something old, or practice something. Minutes later, you forget why you sat down. Hello down there.

Yet is light up here. Yeah. This sun, it's warm. There's a little bit of a breeze. It's pretty nice outside this well. Right. Well, I know what Sony is and I know what it feels like and I know what it like to have a breeze sort of.

So I know exactly what it's like to be outside that well. Well, if you're playing the home game, maybe not. Maybe there's still some differences that haven't quite been exemplified.

The problem is how do you communicate that from 1 side, of the will to the other. I don't know. How do you describe the color purple to somebody who's born blind? Who knows? You know I saw a video the other day. It was a little girl.

She's death. Her daddy was there talking to it. He said a question, I think it was on Instagram, actually. I can't remember his name off the top of my head. I'll see if I can find it. Port or maybe you can look that up in a minute mate.

But Yeah. A question got posed to him and he said, I can't remember his daughter's name either, ironically enough. The question got posed and said, does your daughter by name? Here people speak when she dreams.

And she's deaf. Right? He said, I don't know. Let's ask her. So he goes to Eska. Users his fingers gives us some sign language, which I can only assume because she responded appropriately meant What do you hear when you dream?

Or do you hear people speak when you dream? Something to that effect? Little girl responded. She said no. Of course not. Everybody's quiet. I don't hear anything. However, everybody in my dream knows sign language.

You see, the brain is a funny thing. No matter how worried we're worried we are, that what we're doing is parents, that what we're saying is children is getting across effectively or as peer to peers, of course.

Then what we're doing or saying is coming across as we intended. The fact is the brain will interpret it 1 way or the other.

More often than not subconsciously. And also oftentimes unconsciously. Conscious effort to control subconscious behavior of an ends at prematurely, and there is, as I understand it.

No opportunity for subconscious control of consciousness. I suppose unless you're not gonna let it. Not a doctor. It's just an assessment. So then what? Well, what does that mean?

Well, is I see it? The ability to understand a concept that you cannot fathom. Will only mean 1 of 2 things. Either you misinterpret it because you don't have a baseline, Or you don't interpret it because you didn't have a baseline.

Some sort of foundation to tie a concept to. It doesn't make sense. Right? The first time you learned algebra, Imagineinary numbers? What are they called? Pora? What are they called?

What do you mean like integers or or like negative numbers? What do you mean? No, mate. Like, you know, numbers that like aren't aren't real. Yeah. Yeah. Julia, I'm actually, not I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

You know what, it's not important. The fact is we'll call these imaginary numbers. And if I don't know how you explain it, as a teacher, you're not gonna understand it as a student.

You can try to make sense of it. Come to some sort of conclusion on your own, I suppose. However, there's a very strong chance you're going to misinterpret the lesson I'm trying to teach, or you're not gonna get it at all.

You say you know what? No. I don't know. I give up. Alright. Alright. Well, here's the thing. That's exactly what it's like. To somebody that may have or may be trying to communicate through, in some cases, ADD, ADHD.

Because what we're trying to do is formulate Fathom these neural firings. Across synapses that are too far, Ferrari, we can be able to motorcycle neuron to jump.

Or if that little bugger's gonna try to get there, Somebody forgot to build the landing ramp. So no bridge gets made. It's sort of an ethereal floating motorcyclist in the center of your brain crevice.

To a set degree took off, maybe you grasp a little bit of the concept. Or there was no landing ramp to begin with, and he's been flying ever since. You didn't get the beginning at all.

But you try to make sense of it. So you string together some clouds in your neural crevasse. You try to get that floating motorcycle as bugger to land somewhere, And maybe if you're lucky, you retain ahold of that motorcycle concept.

Stay with me here. And instead of a gas engine or a carburetor, you give their little bugger wings and a propeller.

And you say good luck, gold speed. He finds a new way to traffic the same motorcycle concept, but into something that was entirely new and different.

For better, it works. Right. But so then when somebody says, hey, do you want to stand that fact? Let's say that fact is our motorcycle in the brain?

Are you saying? Yeah. Yeah. I think I got it. But what you interpret is understanding it is now a flying motorcyclist with propeller and wings. Over some granular brain crevasse or neural synapse that might apply.

And the speaker with that actually intends it to be a motorcyclist with a take off ramp, a landing ramp, jumping over, I don't know, the Grand Canyon of sorts in her brain crypts.

Both people think that they're speaking the same things when reality, they're totally different. The Wright Brothers and Evil are 2 entirely different people.

Right? Nick Kage and the American Airlines pilot, is I understand it can't air excluded, and not the same person. So there are quite a few things as far as ADD and ADHD are concerned.

That I think make it difficult to communicate what's happening. As a child, At least I've began to understand a bit more that it's already difficult to convey frustration and emotion.

It's exponentially more difficult to convey the fact that you can't focus. But it becomes the responsibility of the adults then to ensure that it's not a crutch. Relatability, some sort of empathy if possible.

And then find new ways to get that motorcyclist, wings, and a propeller. You know what I mean? Now as an adult, to other adults. Let's say peers. And most of us don't care much Right? You don't even bring it up.

You don't talk about it with your friends, maybe significant other. But it's noticeable, right? It's noticeable. Yeah. I think so to order it up right now. Alright. Thank you, mate. And there are some adults, namely older ones.

We're talking older generations. 1, 2, up. Right? Maybe don't understand the concept at all, but you gotta understand here there were certain degree decades ago what they were brought up in, what they came to understand.

Doesn't apply now. There's something to be said here about all dogs.

Alright. Wanna go ahead. Jones, I really really appreciate you bringing all that up. Steamroll in this interview, I guess. You know what? It's okay. It's alright. We can have some differences. We can talk about some different things.

The point is I really appreciate you putting your perspective into this, and thank you for coming out. Well, border this nice of you mate. I know I'm giving you a hard time, but it's not often we get to talk together like this.

So This is fun. I appreciate it. What else do you wanna know? What else do I wanna know? Well, Jonesie, what else would you like to say? Oh, I don't know, mate. A quick shout out to my boy. This is exciting. Daddy's on Spotify.

Daddy's on Apple Music mate. Check them out. Otherwise, I put this in 1 of your videos at 1 point. I talked about some of the resources that you forgot to bring up last time, and just like that again, you almost forgot remind me now.

Alright. Alright, Johnson, what do you got? Right. So a big bit of advice, if you're unfamiliar with this organization called Chad, That's ACHADD. Right? Now Chad's a pretty interesting organization.

They have a website as well. I actually have it written down here. Let me let me pull this up here. Flip through my notebook. Where are you? Right. So Chad is children in adults with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.

Doesn't quite follow the acronym, that's fine. But Yeah. CHADDI think it's dot org. You can find it on any search engine, whichever you prefer. But they're a national organization to the to the US right, to the state.

They can guide you to other ADHD experts. There are also what I think is is pretty interesting. There's some prominent individuals now or or or becoming, at least, Online, like on Instagram, there's a man.

His name is he goes by doctor Brian FTW. You can find that on on Instagram there at sign, doctor Brian FTW, no dots, no spaces, no No.

None of that. But yeah. He he talks about how he has ADHD and things that he tries to relate through and discuss through as well, which is which is interesting.

You know, a lot of people don't do it that often in my opinion. But there's also books Right? There's this 1 we well, you covered this actually, Porter in 1 of your videos. It's called the ADD and ADHD answer book.

She's a PhD named Susan Ashley, and she wrote about it. Loads of information there. Question and answers basically be in the format. But there's charts in there as well, accommodations, but there's a particular section in there.

I actually brought your book brought handbook. Not sure holes you haven't you haven't written any books, Porter. Alright. Tonesy, like, we don't need to bring it in right now.

You know, can we just stay on topic for a second? Stay on topic. Sure. Sure. While we're on the topic of not referencing Porter, let's talk about strength for a second. Josie. Put right. I'm just playing, mate. I'm just playing.

You're plenty strong. Alright. Bye, boo. Alright. Now and so ADHD. Right? Can it be a strength? Now I'm gonna read this for a second because it was sort of revolutionary for me as I thought about it and went through Dr.

Ashley's book. So, yeah, so I'm gonna read this to you. This is specifically over the page that Like I said, talks about ADHD being used as a strength.

Now, she says ADHD children It's his children, right, but it could be adults, could be whatever. She says ADHD children often have a very unique way of perceiving things.

They think of things that no 1 else could ever possibly entertain. It may or may not be true, I don't know. But today's business model of thinking outside the box is made for the ADHD person because they like boxes.

Right. Jonzy, focus mate. Come on. Right. Right. Right. It has nothing to do with the actual boxes. She says, while schools may not value the entrepreneurial spirit of an ADA HD child, there are many arenas outside of school that do.

See, turning a symptom into a strength can change the way you respond to your child. That's huge. It's been huge for me. Right? It's not something that I really understood initially.

Until I started putting myself in his position. He realized what he was experiencing is a sort of you know, from the from the position of not knowing how to explain what he was going through.

And then from my position, having been what he went through, where he went through, whichever demonstrative pronoun applies or location, whatever.

Either way, having been where he's going through, and having a better idea how to explain how it came across to me, and how I've been able to turn it into a strength.

Right? Porter, you remember that video I sent you about when he asked me why it works so hard? Yeah.

I remember that. Yeah. Well, you were driving, I think. Right? Yeah. That's the 1. Well, you know, I said something to the effect of, well, we've got a lot to discuss to answer question adequately, Sun, I think is how the video went.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a video. I saw that. Right. Well, it's quite the same thing.

You know, I'm not perfect as a parent. I'm certainly not parent perfect as a son either or really as a person, but I'm learning as I go. Right? And being able to explain something from a position of experience goes a long way.

I am not classically educated or what you might call formally trained. In medicinal remedies, psychotropic, psychiatric, or psychological remedies either. I don't do drugs. I really don't drink that much either.

So all I really have to fall back on is my own experience, other people's interpretations, books that I read in the my interpretations of other people's interpretations of what they put in the books.

Right? Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm following you. Right. So based on those things, You know, I had somebody tell me at 1 point, probably, oh, I don't know, 15, 20 some years ago now.

Even in a room full of your weaknesses, you gotta try to play to your strengths. Alright. You may not be able to better your deficiencies. But you may be able to maintain the ones that you've got command over. And that may be enough.

Confidence goes a long way. Wheel power goes a long way your ability to focus and maintain positive attributions to your carriage, to your bearing, to your verbal prowess, if you will, to your ability to relate to other people.

Changes dramatically when you stop shitting on yourself. Josie. Yeah. We're we're gonna try not to cuss on here, man. There there could be kids listening and not all parents like their kids to listen to that.

So, you know, we're try to just be courteous. It's sort of understated border. I stole for AMLimate. I get it. You can just tell me don't cars. I'd be like, alright. Jesus. Alright.

Anyway, there's other opportunities too. Right? ADHD children might need tutoring, special education, medication in some degrees, I'm not advocating 1 way or the other. It's up to the parents, best interest of the child and whatnot.

But, you know, it's out there, it's available. Let's see. I'm gonna thumb through this book real quick. There's actually some more things in here that I hadn't quite gotten to yet. This is pretty interesting.

Jonesie, let me ask you this. What what are some symptoms that you've identified find or that you found, you know, with your son and yourself, other people, whichever. But but what are some symptoms that you found?

That you've had to sort of you know manipulate a little bit for the best interest of your son or for you growing up. What have you found, I guess, to be a positive viewpoint of some of your symptoms? Of these symptoms in general.

That's a good question, mate. Well, for example, impulsivity. Right? Not free will. Not just leaving and running around, but doing things without deliberately thinking through the outcome. Right? Sure. Like like a risk tolerance maybe.

Right. Like a risk tolerance. So I don't know. I wanna set this fire on this roof just to see what happens. What? No. Right. Like as an example, impulsively, I just will set this fire on his roof and see what happened.

I'll say it happens. I'm saying it could happen. Okay. Sure. I don't I don't quite know where you're taking this off. Right. So I imagine most people would say something like no. But others maybe say yes. I don't know.

But the the point is, you don't think through the risk. You don't think through the repercussions of a fire on the roof. Namely, where's your bucket of water? Okay. Sure. Did we clear all the branches away from the top of the roof?

Well, okay, I'm with you. Sure. Or just don't put the fire on the roof to begin with, Florida, it's an example, mate. Relax. It's alright. Just telling stories here. Couple buds telling Bud stories, you know.

Alright. Now yeah. So impulsivity. Right? As an example, however, As an adult, I'm sure you can attest maybe any listeners now as well or viewers whichever applies. It's very easy the older you get, to time travel.

See, what I mean by that is you live more, spend more of your life, your present life, living in your future self. The more you take your present, mental state, living in your future self, mind?

The less you're able to appreciate the moment or whatever little things might apply, I've got 10000 acres. Go some cows. Got a little helicopter to make sure everything goes right.

Not a big deal. Some friends come out, take care of some things. Right? The point is the more I think about how do I pay bills, how do I feed the cows, how do I get them over to the market or wherever they gotta go?

Maybe I'm not realizing that any 1 particular day, I'm hanging out with my family, 8 to 10 hours a day.

Who else could say that? Sometimes, shoveling cow shit, sorry border. Is it the highlight of my morning? Which I rarely do anywhere, I have people do it.

However, those are also moments guaranteed. I've got time when my son can shovel. And it's unbelievably valuable time to be able to have a conversation. Taking a walk through the woods for example. Same sort of case in point.

Right? I got a friend. I'll leave his name out of it. It's fine but got a friend. He was in the first time at a regiment at a down 1. Some years ago, it was actually the last time I probably saw his name was Reeves. It's not important.

His name was Reeves. I might tell you. Call him Reusey. He was in the first time with regimen out of Darwin, the point being. This man had the, at least, around us, unique capability in his public space, to live in the moment.

Right. He had sorry about that again, a phone call, but he had taking the opportunity to cut a branch out of a tree and make a didgeridoo. And we spent the next couple hours with some beeswax around the end, trying to get it to work.

We had a blast that night. We didn't drink. We didn't have to do anything. We sat around looking at the stars in Middle Australian Bush talking about Wallaby's make and didgeridoos were these works out of 3 branches.

Right? We do worry about bills. We didn't worry about making payments, car notes, house notes, whatever, where dinner was gonna come from.

Set on the ground, played with sticks. Sometimes that's where the quality time comes from, and sometimes that's where your brain goes.

But living in the moment is a much better way to explain and relate impulsivity because it gives children the opportunity, even adults that aren't aware of how this comes across.

The opportunity to spin that into a strength. Right? To see that somebody's impulsive, that might be offensive, maybe not. I don't particularly care about that.

The fact is the more that somebody associates this particular emotion that they can't put into words into something that could be perceived as offensive, The less likely they're gonna do it in public.

And the more mental trauma they have. So how does that really better their mental health?

It doesn't. So as a child or as an adult talking to a parent or talking to a child to instead say, it's good to live in the moment. For right now in this particular moment, sit down and do your homework.

That may be the better way to go. Right? So other things, other symptoms. You know, I've actually been told that I had a character flaw because I had a distorted view of reality.

It's not how things really work. It's not how things really go. It's just not how life is. Type comments. Maybe not? By your perception? However, by mine, that's how it could go. All that is how it goes. Right? Yeah.

Certainly gives you a unique view of the world. Maybe it doesn't apply here in this particular moment, but it could, given the right scenarios and factors. People, places, things, other nouns and verbs that may apply in this example?

Right. That sort of unique view changes the world. There was a man in South Africa some time ago, worked in lime rock pits In prison for over 20 years, making big rocks into little rocks, so they say?

Well, Once he got out, fought through apartheid and eventually was for all intents and purposes, in charge of South African politics.

May you have heard of Nelson Mandela? Yep. Yep. I have. Yes. But I'm not sure what that has to do with this, Porter. You go to stay flexible mate.

I'm going somewhere with this. Just stay with me buckle up and sit down. Right. So the fact is, Nelson Mandela had an opportunity in his life. To take his situation, his scenario that he was in, and not do anything to fix it.

Not take the ownership, the initiative, the drive, the ambition that he had, with very little energy, very little body mass comparably and very little sleep.

Very high levels of stress. Fatigue and he made a decision and said you know what?

The only person who can get me out of this is me. Because he found a bigger cause and a bit of hope that made sense to him, and that gave him an opportunity once he got his head in the right place.

To change things for a lot of other people as well. Having a unique view of the world just because it's different In any other example that may or may not actually parallel that store, doesn't make it wrong.

There is a right time in place, or rather in my experience, there's a more appropriate time and place, not necessarily a right or wrong 1.

But you've got to understand when to keep your mouth shut. You gotta understand when to do homework.

You gotta understand when to voice your opinions. You gotta understand when not to. You gotta understand which people to say what things to, and that's not manipulating the situation as much as it is being nice people.

Or being straightforward with people. Bringing up somebody's ego because they need it? Or busting somebody's down because they do. Either way, a unique view of the world views fuels quite a bit of things.

That sometimes people with ADHD see things differently, and that may be an easy way to explain it. Right? Sens of humor being selfish or greedy or pushy? It's not the wrong with having drive.

There's nothing wrong with taking care of yourself. In fact, Sometimes you have to learn about: self reliance. Self esteem, self what character building. Alright. Other people can't connect the dots for you.

It's your head. So you have to figure out a way to do that for yourself sometimes. Anyway, Porter, I think I've steamrolled enough of this for you. I really appreciate you giving me the opportunity to meet in all honesty.

I know I rode your chops a little bit. I had a great time coming out here. We'll have to get back on a video against some other time. But for the time being, thanks for having me on your podcast, mate.

It's been a great time. I really enjoy getting a few of these facts out that are pretty important to me, and I hope some of your listeners as well. Jones, I really appreciate your time too, man. Thanks for thanks for your help.

Thanks for your input. A lot of interesting points, a lot of good stuff. But alright. With that, guys, I really appreciate you an hour to listen to our conversation and take some time out of your day, maybe 40, 45 minutes or so.

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