Alright, guys. Welcome back to survival dad YT, the podcast. Episode 3 is a little bit of a different topic.

Right? Little bit of a lower note, I suppose, in connotation, but it's something I really wanna get into, and that's depression. Now, I'm not a psychiatrist, a psychologist, or any sort of psychiatric experience really.

So, this is not actual medical advice. This is more of a perspective from the regular guy. K? So if you listen to this, there are resources out there which we'll get into.

But in the spirit of mental health, I felt it was appropriate to bring up this topic from the perspective of basically 2 different aspects. So before we dive into all those things, guys, I'm Porter. I'm your host.

And what we strive to talk about primarily, different perspectives, different sort of critical viewpoints, things that you can talk about and maybe think about a little bit later and go, hadn't considered that before, and maybe create a dialogue down the road.

Right? We're introducing perspective and critical thought back into social media. Not that it hasn't been there, but covering these topics from these perspectives, not quite the same extent. Right? So that's what we're discussing.

Now, when it comes to depression, something I think that's very important to describe, I suppose, is that there is a difference. I think a major difference between grief or grieving as a process and as a sort of emotion to sadness.

Just being sad, which is okay too. And depression. Not in any particular order, and not necessarily in scale synchronous or any other pattern to each other, but all of these things are okay to feel.

Alright. It's it's okay to feel. So if you're listening to this with your kids in the car or at home, or on your earbuds while you're cruising down to treadmill on autopilot.

And you need something playing in the background. If you're talking with other people, colleagues, what have you, about these topics, maybe this is a perspective that you haven't yet considered.

If you are a child or an adult or even a teenager, experiencing something similar to this, please feel free to send me an email. Survival dad y t at gmail dot com. Not a problem at all.

We're not talking medical history and medical cases, Again, this is not for legitimate actual medical advice, it's discourse. It's building community around the fact that there can be positive influence in social media.

There are clinical psychiatrists nationwide, worldwide where this is their job. They've been trained classically, understand how to make references and diagnose. That is not my role. I'm facilitating conversation.

Right? So there's a difference though, the point being especially with these topics when talking to your kids, when talking to your parents, when talking to your peers, you may address these things differently, if at all.

But but it's important to learn how to process your emotions.

I think it's more important to understand how to communicate them and that it's okay to communicate them. Ensure sure there's a time and place for everything, but but this is not a topic that's necessary to skip around.

So let's jump in for a second. I'm gonna base these definitions from the Mayo Clinic and their website, as well as psychiatry dot org. Alright.

So these For the sake of a baseline definition, these are what we're gonna use. Alright. So depression. First off, also called Major Depression in clinical psychiatry. I'm gonna read this out to you here from the Mayo Clinic's website.

Says the persistent feeling of sadness or loss of interest that characterizes major characterizes major depression can lead to a range of behavioral and physical symptoms.

These may include changes in sleep, appetite, energy level concentration, daily behavior, or self esteem.

Depression can also be associated with thoughts of suicide, Before I go further, there may be some points in some topics that some of our listeners, depending on who's on the other end of the radio waves, Maybe don't want their kids to hear or aren't prepared to discuss with family members or other people in the car?

So full disclosure, there are topics in terms that we'll discuss. That may be sensitive to other viewers.

Okay. Now, there can be mood changes, behavioral changes, sleep, cognitive changes, or maybe just physically throughout your body. All because of emotions. Right. You can look at them scientifically.

In my opinion, is chemical imbalances in your brain. And that's 1 sort of course of action. But the the other option, I guess, here to consider this from is your body does things 1 of 2 ways voluntarily or involuntary.

And that's it. You have control over it or you don't. Are your emotions voluntary? Sure, to a certain degree, especially if you fake them, But are they more involuntary? I'm not so convinced that that's true.

Right? There's going to be a catalyst where your body responds a certain way. However, your body responding a certain way, in my opinion, when it comes to emotions like sadness or happiness, things to that effect.

Has been, you know, more because of a memory or a thought or a smell or something that that I attribute and attributed an emotion with.

Right? So then in the future, if something makes me sad, it's because I'm tying what I'm seeing or what I'm experiencing to the initial thing that exposed me to that emotion.

So usually, right? So sadness at some point in your life, everybody will experience being sad. Now there are individuals medically in different diagnoses. I understand, where that sort of, I guess, notion changes.

Okay. But it does change the fact. That people experience sadness in a general sense. Okay? Everybody does. What the causes are, what the symptoms are, what the observable factors are.

Maybe different. For a lot of people compared to others, but the feeling still exists. So I've actually got a a friend of mine here. He want wanted to talk about some of this stuff as well.

And you know, I'm really interested to hear his perspective. Let me give you a little bit of a backstory and a quick introduction. So you've heard them before on some of our shows. From Scott Scott Stories, actually.

This is William McClllan. He was kind enough to give us some time and call in so we could talk about depression for a little bit. Now the key here and and Will, correct me if I'm wrong, is you're also not a doctor.

Right? That's true. And not okay. So when we're talking about sadness, or grief, or depression, and some of the symptoms, and and I guess even asymptomatic type responses to these emotional triggers.

We need to better identify from other perspectives. Alright? So I live in the states for example.

And what I experience, the culture that I'm around, the people I'm around, my my perspective is different than yours. Right? Yes. That's 3 2. Okay. So then from your perspective, man, how do you how do you you know what?

How how do you define just the difference, I guess, between being sad, or grieving, or actual depression, and then maybe what what are you basing these definitions off of?

Right. Hey. Sure. Okay. And so soundness is pretty straightforward, I think, and there is a almost the, like, antithesis of happiness.

So you have like a moments as far as symptoms go maybe when that make you cry. Or make you think about crying, right, because you miss something. You maybe regret something.

Maybe you see somebody that reminds you of you or somebody else. Maybe there is also times where you get so frustrated or emotionally charged that you start to burning yourself out, like maybe everything starts to make you sad.

But grievance is a bit different. You can lose your job and maybe you really loved your job. But You're still able to go on with your life. You know, your self worth isn't really affected.

Maybe you're confused. Sure. Maybe you're a bit lost. Not understanding where you can get your money or your food or whatever. But the big thing here I think is that your self worth and your self esteem is not affected.

When we're talking about sadness and grief, right? Maybe there is a smaller period period of time where let's say you have a family member or a or a pet or something passed away.

And you feel like you maybe want to spend more time with him? Well, you're sad. And you're grieving so to a degree degree your irrational as well, but it doesn't change the fact that you still see worth and value in your life.

Now, Sorry. Well, let me let me stop you real quick. As I understand it and I'm just scrolling through psychiatry dot org, again, for the sake of a baseline definition.

Shold alright, Well, this actually I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna read it here because I think this is important and I'd rather just sort of be on the same page here. I just scroll past it. Let me see they say Okay.

So this is actually it says exactly what you were just describing. It says Those experiencing loss often might describe themselves as being depressed. And that's I think an interesting point that we'll come back to in just a second.

But it goes on to say that even though grieving is unique to each individual and shares some same features of depression, that the sort of biggest difference aside from mimicking some symptoms is essentially that there has to be decrease in your ability to function at work and in life for longer than about 2 weeks.

I don't know if you can put an actual timeline on something like that. It doesn't really makes sense to me. You can be distant or removed or whatever fatigued, emotionally drained.

I think 2 weeks is a long time, don't get me wrong for those to apply. But so, Will, I guess what I'm saying is, do you think it's possible to self diagnose depression?

No, I don't. Actually for a very simple reason. You know when your body is about to get sick. Right? You can tell when there's something is maybe wrong or not right at least.

1. But you can't tell other people that you have bronchitis even though you know your coughing. Well, you can tell people that your throat is sore, but you can't tell people that you have strep throat.

Right? So it's the same sort of thing in my head that unless you're a doctor, a clinical psychiatrist or whatever, then you can pass a diagnosis like you have major depression, right?

Otherwise, I think it's well within the reach of any person to be able to say I'm sad.

But if you don't know how to say you're sad or tell somebody, then what are you doing? At what point are you able to actually effectively communicate? And if you can't communicate well, then how can you expect the diagnose?

So, no, I don't think it's possible to self diagnose depression product. But You mentioned the point earlier that I also want to touch on before we get too far let me make sure I close-up your initial point though.

Sure. Sorry. Yeah. We had talked about how you define the differences between sadness, grief, or grieving, and and depression. And then what are you basing those definitions on?

I appreciate you giving me a little bit of backstory there. It's not quite that I'd forgotten. It's more a matter of clarifying carefully and deliberately because these are topics that are actually pretty important to me.

So We talked about sadness a little bit, right? But grieving is different. Everybody actually behaves differently and uniquely to each other.

So for example, Maybe you have a brother, right? And your your mother dies? Well, if you were closer to your mother or not compared to your brother, both of you may take it a bit differently.

8, or any family member, for example, any pet, whatever? Well, there is a difference between Going through stages of grief.

5, I think, is what's classically taught, but At any rate there are stages, right? Eventually you start to accept it and you start to reject it maybe depending on how strongly emotion is for you.

So let's go to the example again. Maybe your mother dies. You say like, well, there is not any way this is possible. Right? And then you started to question things like Why did this have to happen?

Well, does it matter? It really doesn't matter, right? So And the fact is that it did. So then you look at it like, well, this can't be true. Maybe it's not. Usually it is. Right? You start the question.

You get sad in those stages of grief as well. But eventually you start to accept it and you say, okay. Well, now I understand what happened, but it does change the fact you're still none, maybe most likely, you're at least sad.

Right? But it still hasn't quite affected you and your own image of yourself. I think there is a lot greater possibility for that to happen. If you don't know who you are to begin with.

If you haven't figured out your own identity or self worth or whatever, When you run into those situations, it's more difficult to cope because you don't have anything as a foundation to anchor too.

And once you start questioning what it's like.

If you weren't around, would things be better without you here? There's Portitions where that may creep up, but it doesn't mean you're depressed actually. In my opinion, what it means more is you have questions.

But when over an extended period of time, you start to realize that Your life being alive you as a person no longer hold worth It's not that you're contributing to somebody or somebody's calls or whatever.

It's not that you've lost social media hours. It's not that you've gotten even their most remote chance of dating that girl or that guy or whatever, it's that years an individual have worth Think about it like this.

Even A0I think you call them. A 0. Right? Yeah. It is 0. Yeah. Is it. But you say what you it's fine. Great. Well, even a 0 in math has a value.

That value means nothing. But without it, how would you express that nothing exists in numbers? Even 0 has a value, it is not worth less than any other thing. In fact, if it weren't for the 0, A 10 would just be a 1.

Without the 0, the 1 can even become its full or potential as a 10. Even the 0 has worth, right? But if you view yourself is not being able to contribute to anything on top of grievance.

On top of an extended period of time, like I think you said maybe 2 weeks. Right? Like it's speculative because everybody's different. Everybody's brain works differently.

So You know, that that's a valid point too, Will, that because everybody's different, some of these things that are that are out there, it doesn't make them any less true or plausible, but but they can't be 100 percent accurate even if they're a precision description of a symptom.

Right? Well, that's true. Because Precision description of the symptom might be as simple as I don't know.

You cry a lot. Right? Some people cry when they're happy, some people cry when they're sad, some people cry because they make themselves cry, but the fact is when you're sad, really sad, you're more likely to cry.

Sure. Precision description of a symptom. Is it accurate to say that everybody when they're sat at Christ. No. I don't think so. Well, you're making some good points, man.

I just I think it's important for our listeners too to understand where you're coming from. We haven't gotten much of a background. From you, even in some of our videos, you sort of just chime in and read books.

I read books we talk about all the time. I contribute to a lot of your videos actually. So I thought you never asked me questions before. Alright. Well, alright.

Well, I I get it. I get it. But it never quite fit before. And it never really occurred to me either. You know, we've we've known each other for oh, man. It it feels like all my life. And you know, it never really occurred to me.

Like, we're I I think we've talked about this before off the air obviously, but I I think among Jonesie and and you and Jimmy and I were were were trying to figure out how to balance being vulnerable without giving away everything, you know, maintaining a private life with a public persona type type balance.

So it's never really occurred to me. We haven't actually talked about it. You know, what what what do you wanna put out there for people to know?

What do you who are you? Right? But behind the head. And I I think this is a good episode to do that. Like, what What sort of experience do you have with these things that you'd be willing to talk about right now?

And I I don't wanna get into the medical backgrounds or or anything like that. But you know, stories that you might wanna maybe share with everybody.

Alright. Well, First let me say that there is quite the same sentiment coming from me. I I feel like I've known you for a long time now, there is a few things that basically we grew up talking about.

Right? I've been sad on a few occasions, I suppose. The biggest thing though is tough to describe So I know now a lot of us have really little we little thoughts running around, right? But I do as well.

I don't see him all of that often. And initially, it was difficult for me to describe. And Even still it is right. I don't go around much in public telling people that whenever I'm sad that I am sad, it doesn't what impact does it have?

I used to think that if I would tell people I was sad that they will explain some sort of it would be alright or I'll pray for you.

Okay. Or don't be sad. That's my favorite. I don't be sad. Well, then I guess I won't be sad. That was easy. I wish maybe I'd even realized that on my own. It would have saved me a lot of time.

Plus I think for me it was easier to just put it in the package, a little container. Put it up on a shelf and let it be. But it was becoming a bit more detrimental, I think is a good word for my mental health and well-being.

I couldn't quite communicate more at work. I couldn't focus in my life. There were plenty of times that I wanted to not like be tough or seem tough just because it didn't feel as appropriate to not seem tough.

When it's a few weird degrees before sunrise a nice breeze blows up your kilo. Well, that's a good time to look tough.

As you're waving to your neighbors. But beyond that, I started to realize that if I couldn't be honest with myself, how could I explain to my boy that it's okay to have emotions. You don't need to broadcast them.

Excuse me. Don't need to broadcast them everywhere all the time to everybody. It's not it's not necessary, but But it does allow you to process and sort out your thoughts. And that sort of skill set I've come to find is error plausible.

And extremely undervalued But in a culture like mine where everybody's got some sort of reason to be tough and resilient, I admire it and I respect it and I have no problem with it whatsoever.

But at least behind closed doors at least have 1 person you can talk to. Right? At least have 1 person that you can converse with. A friend, the spouse, whatever. But that's for you at your level.

Intellectually, not in terms of age. Now the flip side of that is explain to your kids. Explain to them that it's okay to have emotions. Don't convey all of yours to them. They're still developing. They're still experiencing things.

They're not processing you on top of that. You see, it's not even really in my opinion. It's not my place in life. To scapegoat my kids with my problems. It's my job in life to expose them to whatever I think they'll need.

In order say to survive. Right? So it's a difficult balance. There is no real way to know did you do it right? Did you do it wrong? Could you have done more, should you have done less? I don't know. Yeah.

I don't know either. It's That's a good point. You know, this I think is is also an interesting time to bring up. Maybe some of those specifics if if you're willing. You talked about sadness and emotions, but it was all pretty generic.

Could we maybe maybe dive in a little bit and give some examples. There may even be some listeners out there that are a little bit more empathetic with your calls if you're willing to discuss it.

Hey. Well, so for example, At the time, my boy was born. I was in the military, and I was unable to get home. When he was born. Over that, I had been gone the entire time that he was cooking.

Right? So I missed everything. I come back. I don't know how long it was, but physically I was now back home. Emotionally though, I was unsure, uncertain how to process what I was feeling.

And that it was okay to regret those things that it was okay to be sad that it was okay to whatever. But But it was also because of those things that the boy's mother I weren't very able to communicate well at all.

So eventually as time went on that fell apart. Probably for the best, I wasn't ready to discuss any of these things. Not just with her, but in general.

I I didn't even want to acknowledge them myself. So it became toxic for us. More importantly, in my opinion, it became toxic for empty. So we went different ways. Right? I still talked to him. I still see him everything.

We have a good time when I can see him and spend time with him, but you know, I look back and I can't help but see it in his eyes when we do talk or when we do see each other or that, He's happy doing things, you know, with his mom doing things but and it's happy when we do things too.

But but I can't be there all the time like like she can't write. So initially, I started to think that it was going to be a problem for his future. I hadn't told him any of this, right?

Probably not even ever until I guess he listens to this, but right. So I thought it was going to be a problem for his future. And then I started to realize that it was me putting my problems and my emotions and my mental state on him.

Even though all of it was compartmentalized in my head. So once I gave the opportunity, in my head for him to grow as his own person. And I started to take ownership of what I was feeling.

That really I was the driving cause because he didn't know differently. It was what I exposed him to that was Going to determine the outcome of how we handled similar problems in the future.

Now it may not be problems like specifically what we're going through, but It could very easily be missing somebody or wishing you made a better decision about something so they could be present.

You know, could be conflict avoidance or more importantly, in my opinion, conflict resolution. You don't want to avoid conflict, but was I convinced that I gave him the best example that he may or may not even remember?

To handle conflict. When in the end, I had left his mother. Well, maybe not, maybe But how do I explain it then? How do I shot? How do I emulate it so that he could see it a bit better?

Well, Time. Time. I first had to acknowledge and own that my emotions were mine, not his. He did not give me the reason to have those emotions. He was not the cause of me being sad.

He was not the cause of his mother and I having these arguments or whatever. It was me. If anything, his role was joy, his role was happiness, his role is what kept us together as long as we weren't able.

His role was everything good that we had together. But that doesn't mean that we didn't have individually bad things to and that's what we had. So So it made me sad.

And in the beginning, I started to doubt those things and I started to have issues and not be able to focus and Once I accepted it and realized that I had made it through my own grieving process and I had made peace with what was going on in my life, and in his life and what I had created for him in this new offshoot of a life that he was going to have to live and process on his own.

I grieved. And I came out okay. I had friends that I could talk to. I had people that I could talk to.

Some professionals, some not. The 1 thing that I knew would not be of any kind of help was doing. So I didn't conscious effort not to drink because if I did, it would be a downward spiral and it wouldn't help anything.

Now if you do actually, well, if I may if you do, there is help for that as well. Alcoholics anonymous, maybe you get some bad stigma or some sort of like weak connotation. But I'm telling you, wherever you find a support network.

That helps you feel better and work through and process your emotions and learn to communicate and move towards acceptance. Through ownership. It's beneficial. Give them a chance.

There's AA chapters all over the US and I'm sure further out than that. I just I don't know. I drove a sponsor. They have stories. They have a network. They have a bond because every day is difficult after the first 1.

Anybody who says it gets easier, it doesn't. Managing your emotions, managing your addictions, dealing with depression or alcohol or anything in between, it doesn't get easier.

Every day, there is a challenge. Every day there is a problem or something that causes you to say, what's the harm? 1 more time. It's tough.

It's tough. But what these organizations do is they counselors, psychiatrists, friends, family, rely on these people because they add value to your life, and it's because they're making an effort that you still have value in theirs.

And if it seems like nobody's making an effort, and you have to go out of your way find and make these new support networks. That doesn't mean your life is worthless and holds no value.

But it very well could mean that nobody understands what you were going through because, again, from an ownership perspective, Maybe you hadn't communicated it in a way they were willing to understand, and they didn't recognize you had that much of a problem.

Being an adult's tough. Growing into an adult is harder. And that's my point. It's okay to talk about emotions. It's okay to process. It's okay to have these conversations because everybody does.

Has these emotions. Right? Maybe not discusses them but it's okay to. Right? In the middle of class, maybe not the time. To get out of doing homework, not the best opportunity.

But feel it out. You know? Call up a friend and say, how have you been? Hey, man. Everything's good. Yeah? What are you getting into these days? You know, actually, I ran into a problem with drugs a little while back.

I ran into some some dark days, where I thought about suicide, I ran into some issues that I couldn't quite find a way out of. And it wasn't until I hit rock bottom, I started digging my way out. Rock bottom is different for everybody.

Right? It's an expression, but it's when you don't see a way out and you think that's all there is to it. Tunnel vision, bright lights, nosebleeds, whatever applies as the sort of resulting catalyst.

But once you get to the bottom, and you're in the bottom of the well. It doesn't mean it's inescapable. It doesn't mean nobody can hear you, but it might mean that how you're communicating is not the most effective way to get help.

But there is always somebody at the top with a bucket, and a rope, or a ladder, or something to help you out of the will.

Well, sorry. Let me let me get back to your point. Which, truthfully, I I don't know exactly where you were going to take that, but I I do have a question for you if we could.

And just discuss something differently real quick because we only have a few minutes left. That's not a problem. As much as I love to sit here and continue talking about this, we've spent this far so long talking about me.

And we haven't even touched the person or anything to that effect. So Actually before you ask me a question, can we talk about a little bit of things that play a role?

In depression just for the sake of maybe what you've got on on your resources or whatever? Sure. Yeah. So As a matter of fact, okay here. Psychiatry dot org says that several factors can play a role in depression.

Right? It's a biochemistry, differences in certain chemicals, which is kinda like what I alluded to earlier. Genetics depression can run-in families. That's interesting. But I guess it makes sense. It's it's on genetic level.

So there's similarities there. Personal, though. Okay. So here's here's an interesting point. People with low self esteem who are easily overwhelmed by stress, or generally pessimistic appear more likely to experience depression.

Right. Well, that's like I said earlier. If you don't know who you are and you don't know what you stand for, and you don't know what value you create, or you have, or why you are important to yourself, let alone to somebody else.

It's a lot easier to think that 0 is worth nothing.

Right, even a 0 holds value. So Sure. Yeah. And environmental factors is the last piece that's on here though. Continuousous exposure to violence neglect abuse or poverty may make some people more vulnerable to depression.

I think that's a valid point too, though, because more often not people are products, of what they surround themselves with or of whom they surround themselves with whom they surround themselves.

Right? So those types of things, I think if I don't know if it is. Some of that might be due to just ignorance and not knowing that there's another way to handle a particular like situation.

Right? If all you see is 1 thing, then whenever you see something or it's a plug and play and you do the same thing that you've seen before.

However, you know, that's what I like about reading books. That's why I kept giving you some books that I've got.

And read for somebody in movies a little bit because I don't talk to a whole lot of people, but a reading box gives me the opportunity to understand a few different perspectives and situations and whatever.

So if I come across those things before it makes me tougher, right? It makes me tougher. It makes me more able to process what I'm going through and rationalize what's happening in my life or in my head even.

But it gives me more options to try to handle a situation as well. So while I can talk about it, I can also help myself.

It's not a crutch for me to say that I get sad. Or that I'm grieving and that's why I can't focus at work. And that's why I can't handle the problems of the situations and life's so hard.

Life is hard. It is. It's not easier. Just because you get smarter does not make it easier. In fact, it's my opinion that the level of the challenge that happens in your life is commensurate with your ability to manage it.

So if that's the case, I'm I'm tough enough where I'm mentally preparing myself for something big to come. And when it does, I'll be fine.

I make myself more and more indestructible. As time goes on. Resilience goes a long way, Larry. And the more that you are able to understand that and prepare for it, the better, mentally if nothing else, emotionally if nothing else.

Well, I appreciate that, man. The last question that is here on this website from psychiatry dot org is how is depression treated. And I think you've already explained your angle a little bit.

So I don't wanna keep you. I understand you said you only had so much time where we could talk today. I I really appreciate you taking a second to come talk, man, especially on the podcast.

And I'm sure listeners get something out of it as well. Portwood, I appreciate the time too, man. It's been really good trying to catch up with you a little bit. I know we don't do this nearly enough.

More than willing to come back and talk a little bit on your show, your movies, your podcast, whatever. Not a problem, or if you just want to call and catch up, we can do that too. We'll stay in touch, man.

I appreciate it. Thanks for the opportunity to sort of vent for me. It was more cathartic than I think I was initially expecting. So thanks, Mike. You're a good friend. No problem, Will. We'll catch up again next time.

I'll round out this question where you get on your way. Thanks brother. Alright folks. So As we say about a will for the time being, let's talk real quick for the next couple minutes about how is depression treated.

And again, this is according to psychiatry dot org. They list a few things like medication, antidepressants, psychotherapy, which sounds pretty ridiculous, but it's just having a conversation and talking to somebody.

It's processing your thoughts out loud. Right? For me, I've I've talked through things to myself, to my friends, family, whoever, but but but talking through your problems, talking through your thoughts, helps to organize it.

I've got 4 different whiteboards. Right? A bunch of post it notes and index cards and that helps me organize my thoughts, but it doesn't help me process.

Right? So psychotherapy is definitely an option where you can talk through things with with a therapist, right? Or maybe focusing on just problem solving.

Cognitive behavioral therapy is another option, and it sort of lets you recognize how you're consciously viewing things may be negatively or or or deservedly negative, but in a more positive light like, we talked about this on the other podcast with ADHD as well, how Sometimes you can view symptoms of ADHD or explain symptoms of ADHD to your children or to other adults with sort of a positive spin as it because it can also be a strength.

Well, it's the same sort of concept here in cognitive behavioral therapy as I'm understanding this.

Electroconvulsive therapy. Again, this is not advice to go try these things. This is just explaining that these are some of the things that's publicly available online to look into.

Okay? I I really don't even wanna touch on that because there's so many risks involved. That we're not gonna go into that in this particular episode.

It is interesting. If any of my listeners actually have any insight. Maybe you are a psychiatrist practicing or residency or whatever applies. Please feel free to to get in touch with us Like I said, survival dead y t at gmail dot com.

Track us down on Facebook, Instagram, survival dead y t. Feel free to send a message, and and we'll get in touch I'd love to hear more about this. This is actually pretty fascinating.

And then we can dive more into from a sort of clinical perspective and professional perspective as well. And it's self helping coping is the last thing that's on his website, which I I think has a lot of merit.

And is underrated but requires a fair amount more ownership and acceptance and processing. So really either way, even if it's self help in coping, it may even need to start with other people helping.

Right? But there's all sorts of other forms of depression as well, or more specifically in my opinion, causes of depression that right now we're not going to get into.

We can Pick that up on a different episode if we're going to talk postpartum or maybe even some sort of seasonal type depression.

Right? Or or even other disorders for that matter, bipolar disorders or or split personalities or whatever. The the brain works in funny ways as I understand it to process emotions.

And is there a guaranteed outcome for bottled up emotions? No. Is there a guaranteed 100 percent remedy for all of them? No. In my opinion, personally just as a regular dude, is there an option?

For a treatment methodology that is more consistently effective? Yes. But you have to learn to communicate, and you have to learn to be vulnerable, and you have to be willing to talk.

In a way that other people are willing to learn. Because if you can't communicate well, or at least not to your therapist or to your friends or to your family, and have some humility for them to respond and have them provide a response.

Either you're not talking to the right people or you're not saying the right words.

So communication is key. Alright. For the time being, guys, I really appreciate you tuning in to this episode 3 of SDYT, the podcast. Again, I'm Porter. I'm your host, and until next time. This is SDYT.