Scott Fredenburg: 0:01

I can't be a person who leads an organization like I do, but yet be weak and show vulnerability in my mind. But at the same time, maybe it is okay for some people to see you are a human too, because that way they feel like they wouldn't be the only one struggling.

Porter: 0:22

All right, folks, welcome back to Transacting Value, where we're encouraging dialogue from different perspectives to unite over shared values. Our theme for season four is intrinsic values, so what your character is doing when you look yourself in the mirror. Now, if you're new to the podcast, welcome. And if you're a continuing listener, welcome back. Today we're talking our September core values of bravery, courage and patriotism with veteran and founder and CEO of a nonprofit out of Lincoln, nebraska, called Ruck it Up for Warriors, scott Friedenberg. Guys, this conversation is pretty cool and a little close to the chest. I'm still active duty myself, so this would be exciting and without further ado, I'm Porter, I'm your host and this is Transacting Value, scott, what's up man? Not much Porter. What's going on with you? Not much dude. Keep him busy. And I got to tell you one thing that I really like and admire about what you're doing. Setting up this nonprofit is for one, you could have chosen any other number of things To keep yourself busy, because you're retired now. Right, retired out of the military, yeah. So you could have chosen any number of things to keep yourself busy and you settled on. Well, let me help vets and local communities and families and friends better understand what we're going through, or better understand what they're going through, and help each other, communicate and support each other. I think it's super admirable what you're doing. I just wanted to open with that. You've got such a cool drive and such a cool opportunity and the crazier thing is you created this essentially out of nothing, right, correct, correct.

Scott Fredenburg: 1:58

So I started this just looking at a Facebook page and me being a retired veteran, being a member of a Facebook veteran group and seeing something like a post that went along from a national veteran suicide group, mission 22. I've seen a post that they had for a 48 mile challenge for a rep march challenge in the month of March last year. So I decided I was going to do that challenge myself and I met the goals of my challenge, raising $578. I believe it was. I had a goal of 500 to donate to Mission 22, based off of completing this 48 miles during the month of March. That's where it all started and what really got me thinking about doing what I do. I retired in 2014 after 24 years of service. When you retire and get out of service, you spend so much of your life doing that and depending on your brothers and sisters and arms when you lose a battle buddy to suicide or some people lost multiple battle buddies to suicide Some people have family members who struggle with this still, who have not committed suicide, but yet it either attempted or have thoughts of it. So I decided when I was out there that I was thinking about things like how much is a $578, or at the time I didn't know how much was going to be. How much is this money helping on my saving a veteran's life? Am I saving multiple veterans lives? How many hours of counseling does this money pay for and whatnot? So I started thinking to myself that maybe if I started an organization and started to get more than veterans just helping veterans, if I tried to involve the community a lot more, what can I really do for our veteran community and us veterans who are struggling every day?

Porter: 3:55

Building a community in a community is tricky because you've got to really identify who you're talking to and how to reach them and where they go and how to reach them at those places. Right, and I'll tell you this, it's just because I feel like you put something out on social media, pick a platform, whatever it is, but you put something out on social media and you say I want people to show up to this thing. You ever wonder what if they don't, or how do I make sure they do, or how do I ensure that there's enough value so that they actually do show up. Order I go through this every day.

Scott Fredenburg: 4:30

When I'm running this morning, I have a couple of events coming up here in the next couple of months. One thing you realize each and every day is if you are a CEO of an organization president of an organization you are looking at seeing how many people have said on Facebook they are going to an event or interested in an event. And, leading up to the event, the only thing I'm thinking outside of making sure I have all my ducks in a row is I hope this thing doesn't flop. I hope that people are seeing the messages that I am putting out there and you stress, and you stress that you are getting the right word out there. You just roll with it. Whatever you show up, you have to seize the opportunity of making the best of what is there during that day. People who do show up, who may be new to your organization or something like that, you want to build a network with them. You want to make sure that they understand that the only way we can increase and improve our product as a non-profit organization and all that is for them to help get involved and spread the word and everything like that. So, yes, you worry about those things, but you have to be thinking at the same time. What can I do to make sure I maximize the opportunity that is physically there on site?

Porter: 5:59

Yeah, well, sure, because if you continue to worry about what if they don't show up, you're never going to worry about. Okay, yeah, but what experience are you providing if they do, for sure? Well, let's roll into this for a second, because we're talking a lot about ruck it up for warriors. We're talking a lot about these events you've got coming up. And again, for everybody who's listening now, who may be new to the show, scott and I are talking on a video call, but we're recording this in where we had early August. Right now, even though it's not airing until September, the point here is not to forecast that these events have already taken place because, for example, your hero stock is coming up on 9 September, right, right, yeah, so we're not going to try to have a conversation like, well, if it did succeed, how do we form the questions? None of that, right? This is our conversation's present day. So what you're hearing on the show, even though this is going to air on September 11th that is, monday it's not past tense, for example, to hero stock or future tense, whatever I'm saying. So, the point being, scott, we talked a lot about your organization. I want to dive into you a little bit, though, man. Like you said, you retired 24 years and now obviously you're working on this nonprofit, but nobody else listening especially knows who you are as a person. So who actually are you, where are you from and what sort of things have shaped your perspective?

Scott Fredenburg: 7:22

Obviously, my name is Scott Freddenburger, living in Lincoln, nebraska. Born and raised here in Lincoln, nebraska. I come from a military family. My father was a Marine Corps veteran. He did a couple tours in Vietnam. He passed away when he was 61 years old, so he's been gone since 2004. His upbringing me, and my mother's upbringing me, taught me work values. You got my first job when I was 10 years old, started delivering newspapers early morning here in Lincoln, nebraska, every single morning. I wasn't a couple of days a week, it was seven days a week from the time I was 10 years old up until I went into the army back after I graduated high school, also at the same time. On top of that, I was a two sport athlete in high school I wrestled and played football. And when I was old enough to get a job officially as a real job outside delivering newspapers, I worked a part time job at McDonald's. So I delivered my newspapers, went to school, did my sports, worked at McDonald's and I quit that job one month before I joined the army.

Porter: 8:32

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Scott Fredenburg: 10:04

When I was old enough to get a job officially as a real job outside, delivering newspapers, I worked a part-time job at McDonald's. So I delivered my newspapers, went to school, did my sports, worked at McDonald's and I quit that job one month before I joined the Army. So I basically had two jobs growing up from the time I was 10 through the time I graduated high school, up at tall Army. So that built, I guess you could say, my dedication to work, a dedication to set myself out there as far as that goes. So I have two brothers. Both of them joined the Army as well. My older brother he was an Army veteran. He's 82nd-airborn. He did a 22 or 23 year after-duty career. My younger brother, he was also I'm a military police officer when I retired there Between him and I, my younger brother, he did five years on active and all of us. My dad had his two Vietnam deployments. I had four deployments one to Kosovo, two to Iraq and then one to Afghanistan. My older brother, he deployed probably like six or seven times when he was in the 82nd-airborn and doing that stuff and my younger brother deployed, I believe, two times during his five years. So we've all between us we have probably about 15 deployments between our four individuals. So that led me to where I am. So there were my 24 years. I started out as a crane operator back in 1990. So my initial contract was supposed to be two years active duty and four years reserves. For my six-year contract I ended up extending my active duty time. So my first duty station was Camp Home Freeze in Korea, then went to Fort Knox, after that in Kentucky and I extended to that. So I was able to do two years on active duty and Fort Knox and then I did three years in the reserves. After that six years was up, I went to military police school in 1996. Then from 1996, did my weekend drills up until after 9-11. And then we deployed to Kosovo in 2000 before 9-11. Did a nine-month peacekeeping mission at Camp Bonn. Still Then after the ground war started. For 9-11, I was on OIF-1 and we went to Camp Buk-Iraq, which is southern Iraq. We were basically a force protection, military police, patrols around base and security on base. My second Iraq tour, which was 2008,. My wife and I we got married in 2007 in December and we deployed again to Iraq in 2008 a month after that, went back to Camp Buk-Iraq and we did some detainee or transport missions, which was a super memorable and kind of fun mission. Then Afghanistan in 2010, 2011.

Porter: 13:14

Shortly before I retired, we did a US customs mission there at Bagram Air Base 2010 into 11, I just mentioned that I was there in 11, 11 into 12, so almost a four year later then, yeah.

Scott Fredenburg: 13:27

Are US customs houses. If you're familiar with Bagram, then or not, I have no idea. But we were right across from the Pat Tillman USO, right there, right by the entrance of the airs.

Porter: 13:40

Okay, yeah, yeah, I know where the USO is at. So we spent. Our deployment was split. We had six weeks book ending the middle portion of our deployment, and so we spent those 12 weeks total in Kabul and the rest of the middle time we had redeployed into Marja yeah, but essentially the same area, all things considered. We passed through Bagram and then we went through Lash and a couple other spots, kandahar, along the way out to Marja in the Southwest, for anybody who's unfamiliar of the country. Scott, I appreciate you clearing up some of that man. There's a lot of stuff to unpack and I think one of the most prevalent things, especially when it comes to veterans or really any service members, even EMTs and first responders, it's all sort of, in my opinion, higher stress environments and it can take a toll. But I think in managing and learning to cope with some of that stuff, what's cool about being active duty is you're doing it with at least a dozen other people, maybe three dozen other people, maybe more, any given day, right? So you don't get along with everybody, and you may certainly have days where you don't get along with anybody, but you're all going through the same stuff together, so eventually you find ways to get through it together. I'm curious what did you find in your experience or stories and talking with other people or even your family, but what did you find to be a big issue or a big adjustment when you got out after you retired, like you don't have people to talk to?

Scott Fredenburg: 15:14

Correct. So here is the biggest thing. So I retired in 2014. And this organization did not start until 2022. In July is actually when we got our 501c3 status. So you're talking eight years from the time I retired in May of 2014 until after I started this organization. During that time, I will tell you, it gets difficult.

Porter: 15:43

Already, folks stay tight and we'll be right back on Transacting Value.

Scott Fredenburg: 16:38

You're talking eight years from the time I retired in May of 2014. I started this organization During that time. I will tell you, it gets difficult because here I am after a 24 year military career, four deployments deploying with all these brothers and sisters. Like you say, during these deployments I could be in charge. I was a non-commissioned officer. During, actually, it was all four of my deployments I was on my COSOO deployment, so I was getting involved in leadership roles. As far as that went, I was in charge of all these brothers and sisters out there, looking after their safety. You know as either as squad leader, platoon sergeant, assistant, mission NCOIC or something like that non-commissioned officer charge or whatever, or shift sergeant or whatever it may be for like a customs house or something like that. I spent all this time leading these people, looking after their safety and teaching them how to these younger soldiers who were fresh out of high school during some of these deployments how to survive this type of environment, as far as that goes, looking after their back and giving them advice on their soldiering skills and what they should do during you know how they should deal with deployment situations and whatnot. And so when I go, I do my four deployments, I retire, and what happens this is, I think, relative to your question, porter is you start to see these same battle buddies of yours who are still in. They are still deploying Me. I'm retired, and what does that do to me? Depression sets them because you are not there to watch his or her back during their deployments. You feel like you are letting them down as a battle buddy because you chose to get out and retire. And what happens if something happens to one of them during one of these deployments? And what if I was there to be able to save them? Or something like that? So all these thoughts you stress out on these types of issues, as far as that goes, and it makes you feel like you're not doing your part to look after the city, finding ways to cope with it.

Porter: 18:56

What are some options to cope and process, good or bad, but what exists.

Scott Fredenburg: 19:01

Not saying this is my situation, but you have several people who go to addictions and things like that and they don't necessarily have to be people who have seen someone die in combat or anything like that, but several people get addicted to drugs and alcohol or whatnot, whatever conditions there may be. People have depression that they are not there and things like that. All sorts of mental health issues can come from that. People can get believe it or not, you can get PTSD from stuff like that. It may be kind of hard to sell that for as far as if you're trying to get it compensated for anything like that, for disability claims or anything like that but all those things touch a person who is separated from service as far as that goes.

Porter: 19:47

Even outside the military. I don't know the statistics, but even outside the military plenty of people get divorced, for example, especially after long relationships, and then you find, well, I don't know what to do with my hands now that I'm by myself, I don't know what to do with my time now that I don't have somebody else to spend it with or any other number of things. It's very similar if you've never been in the military or, like I said, even first responders are some sort of higher stress type role where you're in a team environment. When you don't have it, things change, but circumstantially, because you are still the same person, right. You still had your value system and outlook on life and worldview, and maybe a little bit frazzled in the emotional and behavioral swings, but you were adjusting. So, aside from that, you're still you, though right, correct.

Scott Fredenburg: 20:39

I'll tell you one thing a bit as hard your active duty. You have been for how many years? Port Almost 14, now About 14 years. Okay, so I come obviously from a. I started out on active duty for three years and then I went into the reserves. So one thing that is extremely difficult on a reservist even though we are not active full time is moving from a military life back into a civilian life, transitioning back into deployment, transitioning back into civilian life. Just so hard on families. As far as that goes, if you have families, it's so hard on your work, it's so hard for jobs to be able to support soldiers that go through that type of thing. Things could change. You could be working for a civilian job and while during a year long situation when you're gone, structure within your civilian job or to make that station could change. Or you could have a new boss when you come back or something like that. When you go on with your old boss or something like that before you left and you have a completely different outlook on what your civilian job is like when you get back, you may miss promotional opportunities. When you're gone, on deployment and things like that, a lot of things are affected, which just is different stress levels and bouncing back and forth between both lifestyles. As far as that goes.

Porter: 22:08

I imagine it is pretty difficult. I'm active duty. For anybody new to the show, I don't have, I guess, a huge resonance with that point. Transitioning back and forth to civilian life, or I guess you could say, private sector life. I think that what's important to remember, though and I run into this, I don't want to call it a trap, it's really not, but it's a down point when your perspective changes. Even after deployments, you come back. It depends on a deployment, I guess, but you come back from a combat deployment and you say, man, if I were just there another couple months, we could have fill in the blank. But now you're back and you're like, well, I can't do anything about it. Or the group that goes in to relieve you worst case, especially within the first 30 days, especially early on, like OIF, you start hearing the guys that rotated in, got into contact and lost a bunch of dudes and you left. And within a 30 day window, all that Like if I were there I could have done all these things Like you're not just transitioning back into private sector, you're transitioning out of that role where you were actually able to respond in whatever situation, and I think, for me at least, what worked well, was starting to realize and I guess it's been a gradual process over about the last decade or so but realizing that you're still the same. But you still have all of those skills. You still have your perspective, outlook, worldview, ability to communicate in most cases at least to try, if not effectively do it and at absolute minimum, you now share a perspective with a load of other people that are going through probably the similar issue, or at least had at some point in their lives. Alrighty, folks, stay tight and we'll be right back on Transacting Value. Thomas Jefferson wrote in a letter to George Washington in 1787 that agriculture is our wisest pursuit because it will, in the end, contribute most to wealth, good morals and happiness. Did you know that, even at a nearly $1 billion valuation, farmers markets nationwide still authentically serve their local markets as direct to consumer, armed fresh models of freedom, self-reliance and teamwork? At the Keystone Farmers Market in Odessa, florida, those same ideals also cultivate an agritourism experience preserving the old ways of wholesome, family-oriented, sustainable growth of produce and people For premium quality produce at affordable prices, opportunities for the kiddos to feed the baby cows or to simply wander the garden and watch your future meals grow. Visit Keystone Farmers Market on Facebook or come by in person to 12615 Tarbon Springs Road, keystone Farmers Market, the place with the boiled peanuts. You're still the same. You still have all of those skills. You still have your perspective, outlook, worldview, ability to communicate in most cases, at least to try, if not effectively do it and at absolute minimum, you now share a perspective with a load of other people that are going through probably the similar issue or at least had at some point in their lives. And so I mean, it's like what you're doing, scott. You can recreate and rekindle purpose for somebody who's lost it. That's a huge power to be able to give life back to people. I mean, have you noticed any of that with people that come out to your events or, like over the last year, who have reached out to you?

Scott Fredenburg: 25:41

Actually, no specific individual comes to mind, but I do know that there have been people who have just reached out and said, hey, it's great to know that you guys have this organization because this could help me, or I know someone who could benefit from your organization and stuff like that. So absolutely that 100% couldn't be a true statement by you. That is part of the goal was to help individuals and help veterans understand that we hear you and we see you and we are here to give you a place to. Even if we don't have a successful day, we're bringing in donations to give to these other organizations we donate to. Hey, I'm bringing, or thank you for coming out to my event and you know what, keep coming back because you're important to us and if you have any questions for us or you want to talk to us or need someone to talk to during your darkest hours, we're here to listen, yeah it's easy to get sucked into your feels and think you're on your own and physically you might be, geographically you might be, maybe you're home alone, right, like that is what it is, but that doesn't mean you're going through life alone, right?

Porter: 27:02

Yeah, it's such a huge perspective shift at least it was for me I got pretty low at one point and I just I didn't know how else to work through what was going on. I had just created a situation for myself, starting after, actually, that deployment to Afghanistan. As I think about it. But yeah, I created this situation for myself where I didn't know how to communicate with my wife at the time and I didn't know how to communicate with anybody else neighbors, people at work, whatever. I sort of what's the word? Retreated into myself and just had to process at my pace. But then what I thought was normal so I spent most of my career in the infantry, for anybody knew the show and what I thought was normal at the time was the same sort of aggressive type mannerisms and attitudes and communication style and rhetoric and carriage and fill in the blank and maybe even a little bit more crass than what was necessary. But you get used to it. On deployments, it's just the vibe that everybody sort of adopts and enjoys and dark senses of humor and whatever. It didn't translate when I got back home and then it cost me a marriage. It cost me figuring out how to work through a long distance relationship with my son, or if I could even have one. I didn't even know what to contribute. His mom and I we'd gone back and forth for the better part of a few years long distance. We're living together, long distance, we're living together, and months at a time in between those transitions and so, whatever it is, it takes a toll. I think in my case it took a few years before it actually hit me that what was happening was my fault, and then I didn't know how to process it. I didn't know who to communicate that with, I didn't know how to express it. So I went to the gym but some people turned to alcohol, like you said. Some people turned to drugs, some people turned to VFWs and some people turned to USOs. Some people turned to volunteers and, like in your case, some people show up to events where they can actually reach out and make a difference volunteer events or whatever it was. It's such a powerful opportunity when you see that there are other options than just feeling sorry for yourself or feeling sorry for somebody else. So, scott, I got a question. Man, what would you say are the? I guess primary is not a good word or the best word, but what would you say are some of the primary reasons people don't reach out?

Scott Fredenburg: 29:24

Well, one, I think first and foremost, is because they are uneducated to what veterans groups are out there. And two, I'd say just because that's I mentioned this already veterans help veterans. Everybody knows that. Us as veterans know that if you're struggling with something and I know you're struggling with something I got your back right and vice versa, you got my back. That's just a bond we have. Is for anyone who has a serve just getting the general public and civilian world to understand that. Number one and foremost. But then I was saying that a lot of people just not knowing that we are out there or several different organizations are out there. There's an event coming up where there's a bunch of local veteran organizations here in Nebraska. We are getting together to be involved in this large size scale event here in Nebraska, here relatively soon, and the guy who's heading this large organization, he's like I didn't even know all these other smaller organizations existed until other veterans were like hey, have you heard of them? Or hey, have you heard of them? So I guess it's just putting the word out there more than anything. And then the uncertainties if there's someone who's struggling with addictions or in super dark places in their life or something like that. They have their own comfort zones. They think they are coping with things the best way they can. They don't understand how organizations can help them. We are not the organization who actually has mental health counselors, but we can direct you to points of contact. Once I started this in July, there's probably about a good dozen to close to 20 different people I am now in communication with about two to three times per week who run their own organization, so I have points of contact for different people as far as that goes.

Porter: 31:27

Sometimes, I think it can also come down, like in my case, to maybe some sort of mix between fear and I don't know pride, as I don't need to help.

Scott Fredenburg: 31:37

And that's probably a huge, huge part of it. Pride and guilt will weigh heavily on somebody you know.

Porter: 31:45

Alright, folks, stay tight and we'll be right back on Transacting Value.

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Scott Fredenburg: 32:38

Pride. That's probably a huge, huge part of it. Pride and guilt will weigh heavily on somebody. You know Me. I don't want other people to know about my personal life. As far as that goes, I want to present the image that I am under control. So I can't be a person who leads an organisation like I do, but yet be weak and show vulnerability in my mind At the same time. Maybe it is okay for some people to see that you are a human too, because that way they feel like they wouldn't be the only one struggling. The identity should be that everyone in our group, as strong will then has the answers all figured out. The identity should be that everybody can work together to make everyone else stronger and make everyone else feel like they are part of something and they are worth something.

Porter: 33:34

As far as that goes, I think that's the beauty of a value system too. Obviously, I'm partial to that angle because I've made a podcast out of it, but identifying what values you have in common with somebody can almost transcend the negative emotions you feel in the days you don't have somebody You're like. Well, pick an example that suits your image in your head right now. But if so and so could do it and had enough determination to get through it, or was brave enough to get through it, or was clever enough to figure out a solution to, or was selfless enough to help or volunteer or do this or that, well then maybe I can get up off my chair and do it too. Sometimes that's enough, and there's plenty of self-starters that get out of the military. Look at any entrepreneur organisation, look at the Small Business Administration, look at you. There's plenty of people. But it doesn't always have to be oriented towards business. Sometimes that ambition and drive and tenacity, I think, goes a long way. When you just need to reach out and relate to somebody, it's easy to say, hey, if you need anything, call me. It sometimes is a lot harder to actually reach out and call somebody, but that can oftentimes be the same person who reaches out and calls people, like in your case, and makes sure people are doing well, or who reaches out to call somebody when they need help, and it doesn't always show at face value either. There's one more point I want to hit on real quick before we get out of here. Scott, I guess you could say more of a character trait, but sometimes what happens too in my experience and based on, in my case, marines that I've talked to is, again, pick a person but so-and-so went through this. What I'm going through is nothing compared to them. So I'm fine, I'm okay, it's not that bad, and maybe it's not right. There's truth to that. Maybe it's not, maybe you'll be all right, maybe you can get through it. But tell yourself that long enough and I think the tendency is you can start to trivialize when there actually is a problem. Have you found that to be the case in anybody you've talked to or any experiences you're familiar with?

Scott Fredenburg: 35:31

No one who actually has participated in the organization, but right now my own brother, my younger brother. He's going through some issues. I'm trying to lead him to the organization. He's being stubborn with some of the things we talked about pride. It's probably being not wanting to feel like a failure in people's eyes. As far as that goes, it's challenging me on my part. As far as for this organization in general, I need to be a strong leader and I know, at the same time I have a brother who is struggling, who he is a veteran. You've got to learn to balance the things you deal with in your personal life and you need to balance how you react to things.

Porter: 36:11

As far as that goes, there's opportunities to perceive different things different ways. Obviously everybody's different. But I think initiative goes a long way and in this case, namely yours. What you're doing with Rocket Up for Warriors is a pretty big undertaking yet to start up right. So there's a lot of things that come with that, but in terms of what you're building, like we said earlier, a community within your community is huge man, just to increase notoriety and awareness and educate people, I think is super cool what you're doing. Scott, for the sake of time, if anybody wants to find out more about your organization, rocket Up for Warriors, if anybody wants to get in touch, if anybody wants to show up, how do they reach out? How do they track you guys down?

Scott Fredenburg: 36:51

Now we just have our Facebook page only, or they can reach out to my email. Our email is ru, the number four at ruck-ipup the number four warriorsorg. So rru4 at rocketupforwarriorsorg Is our email. Facebook search Rocket Up for Warriors. I'm not sure exactly what the ad is on there or anything like that. We are on Twitter. We are on Instagram. We're still finishing up on the website as far as that goes. Had to make sure we had the funds built up before we started that and we're getting into the finishing stages, getting that up and going. Nice man.

Porter: 37:38

Taking a little longer. Yeah, congratulations, and for everybody listening, depending on the platform you're playing this conversation on if you click See More, or if you click Show More or like. If you're listening to it on our website, just scroll down. But in the show notes, the description for this conversation, the Facebook link and social media. I know you've also got an interview on YouTube as well. I'll put some of those links in the show notes so people will be able to find your profile for Rocket Up, for Warriors and then get in touch that way as well. But I appreciate the opportunity, man, like I said, this is playing pretty close to the chest for me. I've got a lot of buddies where things didn't pan out as luckily for me as in their cases, and I appreciate what you're doing and the entrepreneur in me feels for you setting up a business and getting through all the kinks as well. So I wish you the best of luck, but for right now, I appreciate the opportunity to sit down and talk with you for a little bit. So thanks for coming on the show.

Scott Fredenburg: 38:37

You know, Pro Importer, it's my pleasure. Thank you for inviting me. As far as that goes, Thank you for I guess you could say asking all the difficult questions and things like that, which helps other veterans out there and other first responders or not just us Anybody who deals with types of issues to where they feel lost or they're in dark places or something like that Could give you something on how you can get past your troubles as far as that goes. So I appreciate you and your time and have me on.

Porter: 39:05

That's kind of need to say Thanks, man. But for everybody tuning in, I appreciate the opportunity. You guys come out and listen to us as well, so I don't want to have anybody think maybe we forgot you guys. So thank you for tuning in, Listen into our September core values bravery, courage and patriotism. And you know what, Scott? I also got to thank your dad and your brothers and everybody you've served with and everybody you're working with. I ruck it up for warriors because without these experiences and maybe even do a certain degree to Nebraska winners in your paper route without any of these things, man, there's no way you would have developed the strength of character and the insight and the communication Capability and the drive to be able to put together what you have. So I got to thank all those experiences and people. Also I want to make sure that's not forgotten. But to our show partners, Keystone Farmers, Market Hoof and Clucker Farms obviously both sprout. Thank you for your distribution as well. Folks, if you're interested in joining our conversation, checking out our merchandise, any of the other conversations we've had on the show to this point, you can track down our website at Transacting Value Podcast. You can follow along on social media. We'll continue to stream new interviews every Monday that's 9am Eastern Standard Time on all your favorite podcasting platforms. But until next time, that was Transacting Value.