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I'm Porter. I'm your host, and today we're going to be talking about the value of language and communication. Now at the forefront, this may seem pretty straightforward. There's a few different angles we're going to take with this.

Namely, I suppose where the best place to start out with is going to be if you're a new listener, Again, let me welcome you to the show. Now if you're a continuing listener, well, then welcome back.

I appreciate you taking time out of your day to come hang out with me for a little while. We're talking about language and communication though. There sort of has to be a delineation between different types of communication.

Different types of languages, I think, is relatively straightforward. Whether it's dialects or actual spoken languages being different, that has its own challenges.

To get through and to try to communicate. So if we set that aside for a second as an outlier, communication in general has to get broken down into a few different aspects.

And we'll talk about each 1. We're talking about written communication, spoken communication, acted or nonverbal ways to communicate, interpreted communication.

So from dance, perhaps? So when we're talking about the importance and the value behind communication in general, it's how we get things done. It's how we learn to work together.

It's how we learn to be better humans. It's how we learn to accomplish and dream, build desire, rationalize, work through logic, deal with emotion, and in sort of a a written form, Some of those things are difficult.

I think that's why emojis came about to begin with. Misinterpreting what's in a text message is easy to do, but it happens regularly.

So I've tried to send out emails before or official correspondence. Things like that are pretty straightforward. They're relatively objective. You can't really take 2 different sides about it.

It's pretty informative in nature. There's some grammatical punctuation considerations that need to take place. To write a little bit more formally and at least better than potentially how you talk and communicate.

There's a higher probability that in your writing, your intended meeting is going to get across. But when you speak, That's when things change.

So here's an exam. You are 7 years old. Second grade. Learning to read, learning to write, But for the most part you know how to speak and communicate what you want to accomplish. Your thoughts, your emotions, your concerns, whatever.

Right? So Why do you need to learn to write? We're talking with a pen, pencil, marker crayon, pain brush, whatever, but why do you need to learn to write? You can type it now. There's cell phones. There's tablets.

There's all sorts of different ways to convey these written meanings. So why is it important? At least that's what's going through your head. Well, If you don't see the value in it, you're not going to be interested in it.

You're not going to practice it. And you're certainly not going to be more likely to tell people otherwise that it's also important for them to learn. Because you're not going to know how to communicate the importance, Right?

If there's no relatability and you can't communicate the importance, chances are whatever you're trying to push isn't going to accomplish. Love letters. Right? Pick a war.

Let's just say World War 1 before they leave. He makes an interesting distinction. He actually says that now is more difficult, psychologically, on service members. Remember we're framing this through contact conflict and context here.

But but he says now, service members essentially stay on the front lines. At least for most recent, Last 20 years. But now think back, 70 years ago, a hundred years ago, to World War 1.

Essentially. It wasn't really the case. Right? You'd go out to what was considered the front lines or the forward edge of the battle area, as we might call it now. And You're there for a few weeks, maybe a little bit longer.

But then you get pulled off of the front lines. For a few days or a few weeks, The intention may not have been to mentally recover, but it gives you the opportunity to rest and recover.

Emotionally, mentally you can process, and you're better able to communicate. Now, psychologically seeing conflict or death or just paranoia and high stress is taxing, mentally.

How do you convey things like that to somebody else that's never experienced it? It takes work. It takes a little bit of introspection, and maybe just slowing down how you think and how you speak.

But that doesn't mean communication is impossible. If anything, it illustrates that there is an importance in communication, in some form of it, not just to get things done, but also to secure your own internal mental health.

See, communicating doesn't just have to be outward. It could be inward too. Maybe you communicate with yourself. Maybe you communicate with yourself out loud.

But speaking in any form or fashion, understanding the vocabulary a little bit more specifically as to what you want to say? Can convey what you're trying to say a lot more appropriately, at least some of the time.

I think if I Understand what you're saying the heart wants, what the heart wants. Jimmy? Sorry. I didn't think you were going to be calling until later.

Yeah. Well, folks. This is Jimmy Mullen. I was going to have him call in a little later and and talk about his perspectives concerning communication. But I guess, now that he's here, Jimmy, welcome to the show.

Thanks, Bart. I appreciate the opportunity to my There was a piece that you touched on that I'd really like to discuss for a minute specifically when you're talking about wire.

Say the some years ago in Ireland there was Ireland they they what you call, like a famine, potato famine.

Specifically. And it was tough to convey to the rest of the world that we needed to help, you know. But after some time People starting to understand that conflict is not a singularity.

It's more of like a collective problem. You see, people understand that if those things that they've been through, it's a lot easier to try to help other people.

If there is things that people have not been through, it's an uphill climb trying to get people to limb assistance. Regarding historical events, to try to build relatability maybe with your audience.

Some events are better left unspoken and left into the history books. Through, say, written communication. But there may be some things that still resonate. Right? So I call into your show here. My accent is not that hard to understand.

Maybe my perception of the world is I'm not entirely sure who comprises your audience, what perspectives might be, say, like mine, But I think there's still an importance to hear other perspectives as well.

As far as what's spoken, or read other perspectives of what's written, non fiction fiction books, for example.

I agree. Yeah. You can read quite a bit and learn quite a bit I think it's a matter of analyzing and evaluating or critically assessing what it is you read or what it is you've heard that's the the bigger benefit.

Right? Jimmy, what are what are some of your I guess go to books? If you had to pick maybe 1 nonfiction book, 1 fiction book. Maybe 1 business book.

How would you qualify some of those that sort of helps you frame your perspective and your ability to communicate? Part of that's difficult, my There's a book I'd have to say by a man named Napoleon Hill, it's called Tinker Grow Rich.

It's insightful, I think, because It gives the reader the opportunity to understand there's a value in thinking and talking to yourself to make physical things happen.

See what we've been able to accomplish in the digital space today with real currency for digital benefit, is much the same parallel as what happens in your head that people can't actually see.

To translate or or or transmutate into some sort of physical benefit.

So For listeners, again, I'm on a conversation right now with a friend of mine named Jimmy Mullen, and he's talking about his perspectives as it applies to communication, the value of communication, and different languages that allow that to happen.

So again, here on the podcast where we're talking the value of those things, only having as much value as we put into them though.

Right? There's no transactional value to salt anymore. But there was a 1 point in history, and now there's not. Well, that changed because people saw value in other things.

Other minerals, specifically. But, you know, at 1 point in time, you could pay a man or a person or an employee in salt to preserve his food and to allow his family to survive.

Based on if he was worth or not. If he was worth it or not. Right? Maybe you've heard somebody being worth their salt. Right?

So values may change, and it may be intrinsic, it may be inherent, but The principles stay the same, where somebody historically may have been judged employable or payable based on their contribution and their value to their business or to their employer.

While from the employee's perspective, there was a value in being able to work for satisfaction for providing for the family for income.

Learning a trade, whatever, but also a value because it was actually mathematically calculated as to how much they would get paid based on their merit, their worth, and their output.

Right? So in this case though, Jimmy, you had mentioned Think and Grow Rich was was the book. Right? That's right, Potter. Actually, I found a reference here.

I'm gonna read to you a minute. He said, a man by the name of Edward Barnes. He said, basically, in order to grow rich, he had to change his way of thinking. And so what he decided to do was focus on being definite. Committed.

Right. Now, Barnes wanted to work with Thomas Jefferson. Not farm. With them. He had never met him before. He had no money to get the train ticket. To go see him in the first place. So that's where this that's the setting there.

These difficulties were sufficient to have discouraged the majority of men from making any attempt to carry out the desire. That's to meet Jefferson. Right? Yeah. Yeah. I'm with you. Right. But his was no ordinary desire.

He was so determined to find a way to carry out his desire that he finally decided to travel by blind baggage. Rather than be defeated, blind baggage? Right. It says here in the book that it's basically like riding on a freight train.

With the baggage. Right? I see. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Please. Right. Thank you. He presented himself at mister Edison's laboratory. And announced he'd come to go into business with the inventor.

And speaking at a first meeting between Barnes and Edison years later, mister Addison said, He stood there before me looking like an ordinary trent, but there was something in the expression of his face which conveyed the impression that he was determined to get what he had come after.

I had learned from years of experience with men. This is mister Edison.

Right? That's right? Is I learned from years of experience with when a man really desires a thing, so deeply that he's willing to stake his entire future on a single turn of the wheel in order to get it, he's sure to win.

I gave him the opportunity as far. Because I saw he had made up his mind to stand by until he succeeded. Subsequent events proved that no mistake was made. That's interesting. That's interesting.

I think there's a few points we could touch on there. But, Jimmy, you said you wanted to read it real quick. What what what actually is the point you want to make? What was the important piece about that book? Right, Prada.

Well, this particular book's in part to me because it talks quite a bit about the power of thought, what goes on in your head, your inner communication skills, your inner ability, you have a frank conversation with yourself.

Right? And and then the results it can have.

So your initial question, you asked me about the books that I prefer. Some things that I like to read well as a like a reminder, I guess. But Another book I think is pretty good by a man named Tom Sowell.

He's an economist. He's a wealth poverty in politics. Now, that particular book I'm not going to read for a minute at the moment, but provides perspective for communicating 1 on topics, I'm not rightly knowledgeable about.

It also provides a bit of information. For the reference points of geostrategy, geopolitics, why certain areas, maybe even why certain regions, able to succeed and others weren't?

That does sound pretty interesting. So would you say that's your nonfiction GoTobook? It's 1 that makes me think and I think that's why I like it. Alright.

Sure. Do you have any fiction books? Better illustrate the importance of communication in your opinion? Part of that stuff. The more I think about it, I don't read too much fiction book, but there's a man by the name of Dante Elagari.

He wrote a book trilogy really called the divine comedy. Right? There was the inferno. Purgatory and then the paradiso on the top end.

And it basically took his trip with his guide, the philosopher Virgil to check down in in Chase Dantes lover named Beatrice threw each 1 of these down to the pits of hell and so on up into paradise.

As far as communications concerned, that particular book illustrates quite a bit because then it helps to show how your subconscious communicates with you.

Right. So the internal communications that we talked about before. I'm familiar with the book, but I don't want to get too off track here. We're also talking about nonverbal, enacted forms of communication.

Body language, neurolinguistics. We touched on a little bit with your Think and Grow Richbook. Right. We did. There aren't too many other things that I'm actually interested in concerning nonverbal communication.

It says you enough to pick up. Right? You see somebody sitting out across their legs, they fold their arms, they side, they sit up, they sit back, They lean in like they're attentive paying attention or not.

The amount of how genuine somebody's being in response to those things is Divisible, I suppose, but I think there's almost more value or more communication when it's nonverbal.

Coming across to somebody else or to an audience. Facial features or or or personal tics what somebody does, how they react to something, but it's sort of involuntary, those those types of tics.

Right? Might indicate somebody's uncomfortable, or they're tired, or they're bored, or they're frustrated, traded, and it's not always done intentionally.

I don't think. If we have anybody who's listening for that matter, who's a little bit more Well versed. As far as body language and early linguistics, go send us an email. Send us a message at bravo dad y t at g mail dot com.

Or or or comment. And and we'll talk more about it. But yeah. I think there's definitely more said when it's nonverbal or or unspoken and in particular conversation that there is if you're in person.

Mark, I suppose it definitely makes it a little bit more difficult to talk to somebody when it's on the phone and interpret what they're trying to say, unless you've got sort of an open mind about it, when you can't seem.

Yeah. Sure. And I I think we had the opportunity over the last, what, almost 2 years now to identify that a little bit better, talking to family and friends on videos Maybe even more than on the phone.

Right? You have an opportunity to call somebody and start a voice call or start a video call. When you're stuck at home, you're probably going to start a video call.

Is it easier to interpret subconsciously? Maybe that's why. Sure. But I think the flip side is it's just out of convenience because you don't expect other people to be busy.

Right? So the courtesy of trying to not bother somebody or interrupt their day, I think, is is dissipated a little bit when when everybody's at home, but Right.

I agree. I think there's a quite a bit to say about things you say when you don't say it.

Alright. The nonverbal cues we're talking about, but You know, something I think is interesting. I heard you bring this up in the beginning of the conversation was what people draw in paintings and things.

Keep touching on that for a minute. Because there's a a pint I like to make. Yeah. Sure. Sure. Sure. We'll move right along. So, otherwise, to communicate being what's drawn, so Jimmy mentioned what's painted.

You know, impressionists, for example, or really any any artist you know, you talk about Monet or Picasso, Dali, some more famous painters. For example, rembrandt, Michael Angelo.

But all of these artists were able to convey a meaning. Right? Do we know their their beliefs perspectives on life, outlooks, emotional states, relationship statuses. In detail, no, No. I don't think so.

But by looking at some of their paintings, you can infer quite a bit about the artist at that point in time, and that goes for any painting. But Highroglyphics, for example, ancient Egypt. We're talking, what, 5, 600 years ago.

In some cases older. Right? Do we know about the people as people know? Margatory habits, diet, rituals, religious beliefs, just the fact that they were able to communicate in a written form or in this case a drawn form.

I think says a lot as well. Specifically, maybe not, but it's a little bit more implied, I think, at that point. Jimmy, you said you had a point you wanted to make though about communicating through paintings or or drawings even?

Right. I do the paint the the paint. The point I wanted to make was that It can be a simple drawing of a heart on a card. Right? I believe you just got done with your Thanksgiving holiday. New Year Christmas right around the corner.

You can convey quite a bit of emotion or even elicit quite a bit of emotion. Just by putting a picture of a heart on a page. If you don't believe me, ask any 2 year old. You want to put some macaroni on a piece of paper, but you're 35?

Probably not going to go near as far as the 5 year old doing it. What does it try to say when the meaning carries more weight, more gravity? From an individual who's unable to speak, but they can draw pictures to convey their meaning.

Sometimes that's the easier way to go It's like when you're in a conversation, you can't think of the word. But you're able to act it out rather like charades or something.

Charades are actually a good sort of segue. The next piece I want to touch on anyways, interpretation, I guess, of communicating. Interpetive dance Alright. Like in Napoleon Dynamite where he was where he was dancing on the stage.

Lyricle ballet, different forms of dance for that matter. There's religious dances, Native American dances, tribal communication through ritual of dance, and how they interpret the world around them through dance.

It happens all the time. But people communicate that way too, otherwise it wouldn't exist.

Right? Is it more for an entertainment value than an informative value? Yeah. I think that's debatable. And in some cases, sure, but the ability to communicate through dance, there's a difference there. I think, is it nonverbal?

Yeah. But there's a difference between how it's actually exemplified. Right? And then instrumental music or instrumental communication as well. Listening to classical music, as a story gets told, jazz, the blues.

Alright. It's meant to evoke a certain type of emotion because it can communicate that. You don't have to see the person playing the instruments either. So there's a certain amount of power there in communicating through music.

Especially when it's instrumental. And then the opposite being, Acapella singing. For example, where there's no music, but you're still able to invoke emotion, not just wonder and awe at how somebody can do that.

That's the artistry behind it. Where it's not just a skill set, but it's the ability to convey a story and elicit an emotion through different types of physical action.

You know what? Jimmy, if you're cool with it, man, let's take a quick break, and then we'll come back and we'll talk some more about the value of communication and language.

We talked about social media. We got a little bit about culture, which I think is gonna be a pretty interesting back and forth. A little bit about some current events too for that.

Alrighty, folks. Welcome back to SDYT the podcast. Where values still hold value. And again, I'm Porter. I'm still your host. We're sitting here talking about the importance and the value behind language and communication.

I've got my buddy here, Jimmy Mullen. And where we left off before we took the break, we were talking about different types of communication and then their importance.

1 of the things that I want to dive into though is more, I guess, popular forms of communication as it stands today though, present day.

So let's let's just let's just say that's social media, for example. Is there a value in using social media, having a profile on social media, whatever the platform is is kind of irrelevant?

But But do you see a value in that? Jimmy, given given the whole, you know, population in the world, all these other forms and abilities to communicate. Do you see a value in maintaining social media presence as well?

Partner, the digital world is allowing people to reach quite a bit farther than what maybe they were used to, with messages that maybe they thought were a lot more important than what they actually turned out to be.

Or to flip side what they didn't think was important at all, turned out to be quite a bit more important to a bunch of other people.

Generally speaking, because it's humorous, It's entertaining. Thanks to that effect, but it's always their value, Shar, I think, psychologically, because humans are more pack animals anyway.

Gives him the opportunity to band together with strangers, which I think is the most interesting point about the social media farmer communication.

See, you're having any kind of a medium. Media is the plural. And because it's a social environment, but in a digital space.

It's called social media. Social media is not a swap out for, I don't know, Facebook or meta, whatever call themselves these days, but It's merely expression of being able to socialize through a new medium.

Right? And so in the digital space, the biggest change I think is going to happen or that is happening has happened, whatever is, that people are making packs with strangers.

People have left the safety and sanctity in most cases of their familial or familiar. Packs and groups and clicks. To join those with strangers, they've never met before. That's why it can be dangerous.

It's unprecedented even. It's never happened throughout the course of human history. So because it's so unfamiliar, it's quite chaotic now at the moment, but I think there is a value in it. It's just new and we don't understand it yet.

But to avoid it completely, I think is also ignorant quite naive in the long run. The long run may be hundreds of years, but I think it's probably closer to the next couple of decades where it's going to make some Big impacts for sure.

I agree. I think I think it exponential rate things have been compounding technological advancements, for example. I can't remember the name of the formula off the top of my head. If anybody remembers just please let me know.

But I think the yeah. I can't remember what it was called. But the general premise is that whenever technological advancement happens, the half life of that product is inverse to the rate that it's going to change.

Right? So for example, if it takes 20 years for a new piece of technology to come out.

It has doubled what we would have been able to accomplish without it in 40 years. So Let's just say for easy numbers in 19 80. Just just I I get it's a little off, but just for safe easy numbers.

19 80, the first computer comes out and then By 19 90, the Internet exists. Right? And I understand the numbers are a little off. Stay with me though. But let's just say computers 19 80 Internet 19 90.

It took 10 years to get to that point where the Internet could come out and and commercialize and whatever. But without the Internet, it would have taken to the year 2000 or 20 years to accomplish the same thing.

Right? So again, I can't remember the name, and this may make a little bit more sense if I could remember what to research to look up and tell you the name.

But but yeah. Basically, the point is technological advancements, the exponentially decrease the rate that they come out.

But inversely exponentially increase the capability and efficiency, generally speaking. Of what they're able to accomplish within that amount of time. So I think social media is gonna do the same thing.

Jimmy Moore, to your point, Yeah. I think 10, maybe 10 more years. At this rate, we may even see it in the next 5. Larger impacts. What that looks like? I'm not entirely sure. We're seeing it now with cryptocurrencies.

I mean, look here in the States, the Staples Center just got bought out by crypto dot com. And so now it's going to be the crypto dot com arena. That's the first, as I understand it, first of its kind, where it's named after a website.

But more importantly, it's named after a movement a revolution in the financial industry and in essentially decentralized financial capabilities. And social media as a whole, I think it's going to do the same thing.

I think it gives us an opportunity to sort of low hanging fruit here but socialize. I think the flip side is it also gives us the opportunity to join like you said, you need these these packs of strangers that we've never met before.

And and so in its own way, it's fostering different forms, different bonds of trust. And we'll see history will tell what that turns into, but it is interesting because it's unprecedented.

It's never happened before. I agree with you completely. But I think 1 of the downsides of social media is it's also that much easier to bully, inadvertently or actually.

It's that much easier to pick and choose, what sound bytes, what audio, what video clips, what tweets or written forms of communication get chopped and then misinterpreted because the context isn't there.

Not as it would be with a familiar or would you say a familiar or familial click.

Right. I think that's quite the point. Right? The that's that basically, that's the cancer culture you want to jump into anyway. Defect it well if you're not fired against it in its entirety.

It's all or none. Right? Tri musketeer kind of philosophy. Well, I think that's the point. Not not that it's the greatest idea, but I think that's the point that I'm trying to make is that there's a definite downside. Is there value?

Yes. But But in accepting the value you've got to accept the risk. Right. And ensuring that Even though your, say, risk threshold might be quite high, by putting things out on the Internet or whatever social media platform applies.

What is your actual tolerance for risk? Maybe you haven't identified that in a moment so to have those kinds of opportunities presented to you, hopefully, before it's important enough to matter.

You're able to build some sort of resilience or coping mechanism or what have you.

The flip side is if it happens prior to you building those mechanisms. You get ambushed by hundreds of thousands of people online that you've never met before telling you your ideas are stupid.

Or you don't have any reason to continue living or whatever. But you hear it from so many people eventually start to believe it.

That's assume in psychology, and I think that's gonna be a problem we have to contend with as well, which is why things like well, like this podcast, for example, I think that's water.

So so much of a benefit and a value that we could put behind them because we can use social media for increasing a positive benefit as well.

I totally agree. I I think that's a pretty interesting point. The cancel culture, I guess, of today, I don't think it's isolated to here and now or within the last 20 years.

I think this culture has always existed, but in its own little microcosms within these villages, within these clicks, within whatever, families, structures, type casts, apply, But now, it's it's grown and it's changed to to be affected and and morphed a little bit differently.

But the outcome's still the same. The concept's still the same. It's still people banding together. For the sake of a common reasonable standard relative to that background and perspective.

Does I didn't know this is wrong. I don't agree with it. Whatever sort of reputes occur, and then that individual or that alleged offending party now has to defend themselves.

Right? Are you chased with torches and pitchforks metaphorically or or or actually? No. Not necessarily in either case, but conceptually, it's the same.

Right? And so now people band together, but it just looks like tweets and sentences. So If that's true, then again, you can't rightly you can't rightly deny the fact that written communication still has power.

It's not like people are putting up video clips to say how much they hate somebody else's video clip. It's comments. It's words. Sometimes misspelled and poor punctuation aside illegitimate, but it's just words.

It's just words. So, it's a lot easier for a stranger's opinion to dictate the outcome on my life on a mass scale, like what we're talking about in this cancel culture concept.

But oddly enough, when you care when you compare it to the population in the world, I I haven't counted, but given my last census, 7 and a half billion people, more or less, And you get a video or a post or whatever with over a million comments?

I mean, is it really that much? Is it really that many people? In comparison, no.

No. Not at all. 1 percent of the world's population based on a 7 and a half billion number is 7 and a half million. Right? 70000000. Yeah. Something like that. 70000000 people. So 1 tenth of 1 percent at 7000001 hundredth 0.

01 percent at 700000. That's it. So if we're saying that over a million views or over a million comments or whatever is is what determines sort of as a threshold of Everybody hates me. No, they don't.

In fact, technically, nobody really knows what you said or did based on that logic. Right? Right. I think that's pretty interesting too because when you think about it, there's only so many things that people pay attention to.

Most genuinely don't care. They just make a comment because it's funny or it's an offhand sort of thing to say. The problem comes when people take it personally.

It's difficult to to separate between People are actually insulting me as a person in my character or just saying it's a character flaw or just saying your stupid, or your idea is stupid.

There's a big difference in how to react towards all of those.

The fact that your idea is stupid, doesn't mean that you are. The fact that your idea is stupid in some cases. Maybe it just means that that individual who wrote a comment doesn't agree with it.

That's fine. They don't have to. The Barnnt is much like our friend here in Tinker Grove Rich when he was trying to get a job with Mr. Jefferson. It didn't matter how many people thought it was stupid.

How many people thought his idea was stupid? How many people thought his idea wouldn't exist? The more he realized, well, actually, it's possible. And it's got a positive outlook. Right?

I'm not trying to impact anything other than inventions for the good of people. Or from my own future or whatever. Being down on yourself and being able to sarge between and cope with, people's opinions of you and and and what you do.

I I think I'll answer quite a bit. It doesn't necessarily mean, though that just because they say it's wrong, it always actually is right. Yeah. For sure.

I think let's well, actually, that you don't even really need to think that hard. There's been all sorts of examples within the last couple years alone. I look at right now. Right? Like, we're not gonna jump into too much about it.

But Jim, are you familiar with this written house case that's going on? Or or I guess recently that was going on here in the States? Heard something about it, but I don't pay attention too much to it. No.

Something about little boy had, what, like, a murder charge or something. Yeah. That was basically it. Kyle Rittenhouse in a town called Kenosha, was in a protest, apparently took it upon himself to, you know, I'm gonna establish peace.

Right? 17 year old sheriff. I'm gonna establish peace or try to maintain the piece, and I'm gonna do it with my AR.

Alright? It's an assault rifle. But he's a kid. He didn't know what he was doing. And basically, it just seemed like he romanticized everything in his head.

He was gonna be some big bad sheriff. And then and then actually got out there and realized he was out of his league. Got scared, panicked, and then shot some people, not to trivialize it, but that was basically the the problem.

So then when he got arrested, on multiple different charges, murder, and possession of a of a rifle by a monitor, all sorts of different things.

It went to court for it and obviously jail, but but went to court for it, And they delivered, and eventually, I think it was within the last 2 days, he got acquitted of every charge.

Said it was self defense. Right? So if you didn't know too much about it before, Jimmy, what are your feelings on that now? Again, politics aside here. But just real quick, I'm gonna go somewhere with this.

So Quick 30 seconds, tell me about, you know, what what you think about that at face value as a story. Face Fire is a story. What doesn't sound like he did anything illegal then? Being dumb isn't illegal.

Being a child isn't illegal, being immature is not illegal. Being partly educated is not illegal to a certain degree or another. At face value, it sounds like He got in the middle of protest, got an over his head and then shot people.

You said in self defense? Yeah. In self defense. He Basically, he was chased. He tripped. He fell down. And these these people started to surround them and he panicked.

Right. But did he instigate to begin with? Well, that was sort of the debate initially. Right? I mean, the fact that you're some kid walking around with a rifle and a protest, and tensions are already high.

Let's talk about nonverbal communication are you actually communicating at that point? Your intentions or people's perceptions of your intentions? Again, I agree with you. To a certain degree, yeah, being being dumb is not illegal.

It's just unfortunate that sometimes You know, those are the people that go out on their own. I I don't I don't know. But yeah, go ahead. I don't want to cut off your train of thought. Right. So it sounds like then it yeah.

It sounds like it was self defense. The fact that he was out there with a rifle stupid, the fact that he was out there, maybe with a pistol might have been stupid, doesn't sound like he knew what he was doing anyways.

And, you know, we got to say, well, you keep your finger off the trigger. Till you're ready to fire. In that case, like I said, it seems like he was scared and then so, you know, he did.

He defended himself as he felt appropriate. But there were a lot of other decisions and a lot of errors in communication leading up to that point really when he left the house. That all of it could have been avoided.

Who's at fault? Who's to blame? At this point, doesn't matter. He was acquitted, but The point is, I think there's underlying lessons there that that are going to resonate and it's going to cause a lot of issues.

Let's just say on social media as a whole, but of the individuals that comment or or pay attention to or even just watch or even are just familiar with an online article or a random social media platform as we understand them now.

In the grand scheme of this globalized growing world or I guess shrinking world, Do a lot of people really care? No. I don't think so, partner. I don't think so. I don't even know about it until you just told me the details now.

So Now it's just another kid beating a murder charge at this point. To me. Okay. Yeah. That puts it in perspective because here in the States, it was everywhere it was all over the news.

You could watch it on YouTube. You could watch live feed chats. Messages on these chats scrolling so fast, you couldn't even read them. It was almost insane. Right?

And then now when he gets acquitted, people are going back and forth, especially in Kenosha, but almost across the country and what it's going to do as a precedent towards self defense laws and other considerations that are going to resonate a second and third order effects of this decision.

It is going to impact quite a bit, but isolated in and of itself. Right? As a Michael Carlsom, I don't think it's a big deal. No. Conceptually, critically, whatever, it's it's nothing new.

Okay. Well, I, yeah, I appreciate the perspective. It's not really something that that we had discussed. So would you say then that this cancel culture is not really I guess, pandemic across nations?

Or is it or is it even in your opinion, endemic of of new social trends? No. Not quite. I don't think it's endemic of any sort of like a zeitgeist or whatever you might call it now, but it's been around. It's just a new farm.

Right? If anything, energy is not created nor destroyed. Right? It's just transformed. And I think it's the same parallel here that conflict in and of itself is just chaos, which is just energy raw energy out in the universe.

Right? There is no, I guess, difference here because, scientifically speaking, any object in motion will stay in motion unless acted upon by another forest.

In this case some sort of order to chaos. Right? And if conflict is chaos, an order is allegedly some sort of law. Well, in chaos will continue until some sort of law prevails.

Right? So social media, division, whatever's happening in the world, whatever's happening digitally, whatever's happening there in the States for you, that it's not going to change.

You can say that cancer cultures are dying or it's what I've heard on some reports that I've seen on some articles as well on the Internet is that It's just your radical left saying that there's problems or causing problems most likely.

It's just the right side saying that the left's causing problems.

That's great. But until somebody says, Regardless what the problems are and who calls them, how do we fix them? What steps do we need to take to address these things? Are you going to reunify everybody? No.

I believe it was Lincoln who said that you can place some of the people some of the time or some of the people all the time you're never going to be able to please all the people all the time. And it's directly applicable here as well.

At some point, you've got to assume or assess your level of risk, assume a set amount of it, and then continue from that point to you know, move on, implement whatever controls you're having and move on.

You know, we have the same kind of thing actually in in the military.

It's it's basically just risk management principles, and I'm sure we're not There's probably plenty of other organizations, corporations, what have you that are similarly designing their risk management programs.

But the methodology is actually pretty similar to what you just brought up.

And so, basically, once you've identified what you need to accomplish and then you identify the hazards and you assess what the hazards entail and to whatever degrees the repercussions are, and you make decisions based off of those risks and say, well, this is the likelihood I will do these things, sort of a risk versus gain type comparison, and then you implement certain controls to minimize or mitigate whatever hazards you've identified, and then except the level of risk when it's outweighed by the benefit of whatever risk is remaining.

And then you act on it, and you supervise it and see how it goes. But then it starts to cycle back all over again if you get negative positive or any kind of results, which you will when you take any sort of action. Yeah. You're right.

It's it's cyclical. And at some point because you can't please everybody, you can't identify all of the hazards of And I I think that I think that is a a hard fought lesson, and I I don't know how wide the spread it gets Todd.

I can't speak for every school, and I I don't see it regularly on on social media.

Right? Like the popular videos online are not about risk management. But maybe, you know, popular lessons at home would help 17 year olds understand you don't carry an AR into conflict unless you are willing to get shot at or shoot.

That's it. You know, and if back to that that point, I guess, for a quick second, is he then going to take ownership of what he did?

I think he has. Was justice served. On paper legally, I don't know. Again, I don't want to get into it now, but he's got to live with the fact that he killed people.

For the rest of his life. He's got to live with the fact that now everybody that heard his story or followed the actual case as it unfolded over the last few days specifically with the jury.

He has to live with the fact that now this, you know, cancel culture is going to divide his image for the rest of his life and say, this kid with this name, and this identity is he was just a young kid, and he was idiot and idiot.

Naive and, you know, got in over his head, and people are gonna just make fun of him and shit on him and whatever. And there's gonna be another group of people that get behind him.

And say, yeah, he beat it. He received well within his rights because what maybe what they're concerned with his gun rights instead of him. Maybe what they're concerned with his self defense and castle law.

Instead of him. Maybe with the concern with his him and his image. But the fact is there's gonna be different groups of people weighing in on this that really were audience members.

Armchair quarterbacks. Right? Like the didn't have actually any stake just have an opinion, but it's easier to voice it now.

So and then, you know, people psychologically are going to align with where they feel more comfortable generally speaking, a similar mindset of people.

And as those numbers increase, we're right back where we started to end individual or an individual organization, having to contend with hundreds of thousands, if not millions or more, positive and negative views.

Or at least opinions. Right?

Yeah. I totally agree. This toxicity of cancel culture I just wanna give a quick shout out though. And again, if you're just tuning in, what we're talking about here today on SDYT the podcast is the value of communication and language.

Through different types of communication in different mediums, we're able to then communicate, but that doesn't make 1 any more effective than another.

Like like, I'm talking here with Buddy Jimmy Mullen. And his perspective on all of this as well.

But 1 of the things I want to put out there is that this notion of the toxicity of cancel culture or debate surrounding the toxicity of cancel culture actually came from another podcast called Intelligence squared.

So if you haven't checked them out, do.

Right? Please do. Basically, they have different debates. About all sorts of different topics. And in this particular case, this episode came up recently. I'm gonna pull it up now. Their their podcast and yeah.

Here we go. Oh, wait. That's not the right 1. Okay. So The point is intelligence squared is a podcast, and it says here the world's leading forum for debate and intelligent discussion. Live and online. Right?

They'll talk to different companies, different people, different minds, essentially orders, and debate different topics. And it says intelligence squared is on Spotify, intelligence squared, weekly podcast every Tuesday and Friday.

So topics like this. Right? And then they debated and they talk through it. So if you're unfamiliar with it, as a podcast, check it out.

And if you've been familiar with it, then please feel free to send us a message other topics for things that we could actually discuss as well, but as it applies to values still holding value.

Alright. Now, that we got back off of that and canceled culture while we're talking about value.

There's a book that I mentioned earlier, called entrusted. And I'm gonna jump into that. Before we get into it, let's take a quick break. Let everybody process everything.

We just talked about some of that was pretty loaded. And and then we'll come back. Guys, I'm Porter. I'm your host. This is SDYT the podcast, and we're talking with my buddy, Jimmy Mullen. We'll be back in a second.

Alright. Thanks, Carter. Alright. Folks, welcome back to SDIT the podcast where values still hold value. I'm Porter. I'm your host, And again, we're talking with my buddy, Jim Mullen, about the value behind communication and language.

There's all sorts of different types that we discussed already. And if you're just tuning in and you're just joining us, welcome to the show.

I appreciate you taking some time out of your day to come out and hang out and listen to some of these topics. And if you're a continuous listener, welcome back.

And obviously, if you started with us earlier and you've been following along Where we left off, basically, we're talking about, what we were talking about, the toxicity of cancer culture.

What I'd like to dive into real quick for the next couple minutes though, sort of the parallel between generational wealth and communication skills or overall communication. And here's the jump we're going to make.

Alright. For example, there's a book called Building Building A Legacy that lasts. If you're unfamiliar with it, I highly recommend you check it out. It's got a picture of sort of an architectural drawing of a bridge on the front.

Written by these 2 individuals, David York and Andrew how Andrew Howell and I tried to see if I could track down when we were on a break, some of their social media handles or whatever, so you could look them up as authors as well.

However, And I didn't realize this before, but what I did find out is they are both attorneys and managing partners in Salt Lake City, at a law firm called York Howell and Gaimon.

So they work together business planning, tax advice, estate planning, things to that effect the point being here, they put together a book and offered it called Intrusted.

And 1 of the points that they make in that book is how financially speaking, if you leave money to your family as an inheritance, or family members as an inheritance, and just expect them to be able to manage it essentially on their own and do something with it.

There's all sorts of circumstances where that applies.

There's other circumstances where that failed. Generation to generation, we mentioned the Rockefeller's earlier tended to succeed overall in the long run in securing generation of wealth and growing their family bank.

Vanderbilt's on the other hand did not. Within 3 or 4 generations, I think, don't quote me. Most of their family bank had from what Cornelius had built initially.

But I mean, you look at our last president. Right? Donald Trump, he got money, essentially, from his dad, to start his business as sort of a a legacy type business venture.

Right? You look at who's somebody else. Jeff Bezos didn't start with 0. He had money raised and, you know, earned and started with. Same thing applies for I I don't know who else that that may actually apply to you.

Look at Elon Musk. Did he start with nothing? No. His his family had money at the very least. A wealthy knowledge base. And that's the point I want to get to.

That's the parallel I'm trying to get to. It's not necessarily about leaving money as much as it is teaching the values about what to do with how you qualify being wealthy. And then what to do as a result? How do you help people?

How do you help yourself? How do you allocate in tithe? How do you donate? How do you whatever fill in the blank? Based on the foundational values that you've set up within your family. And that parallel is the the the main tie here.

How you build resiliency and coping skills and coping strategies through different topics and certain things that come up or get that that get told to you right when I when I was a kid, Jimmy drove over here anything about sticks and stones, may break your bones.

When you were a kid, right, but words would never hurt me. I heard that all the time. Sorry. I heard that all the time.

I think to a certain degree that that lends a little bit of credibility to what you would describe in earlier, but to a lesser degree, I guess it could also mean that you don't actually actively listen to what people have to say or empathize or whatever.

Well, maybe maybe maybe not. I think that, to a lesser degree, is as important as being able to understand that people aren't attacking you as a person with their words.

It's not a big deal. It's somebody's opinion. Right? And you build some mental resiliency to deal with it. Matter of fact, there's another book by a lady named Emily Griffith.

Emily forgive me if you hear this. I don't I I didn't look up your your background. I didn't intend on bringing your book up, but Jim brought up a great point. There's a book that she wrote called Build Your Family Bank.

And she makes a point in there about basically the emotional health of a family as a as a unit, whether that's 1 mom, 4 kids, divorced parents with 7 kids, divorced parents with 1 child, you know, no actual biological children, everybody's adopted or now even more scientifically in vitro where everything's done through multiple donors.

It's it's pretty impressive how far medicine has advanced to be able to accomplish that.

But the point is, however you define and qualify a family unit. The emotional health of that unit, the point she makes is that it's basically grounded in the values that the individuals collectively raise each other with.

And that's how emotional health is established, which then becomes the baseline for from where it's maintained for the rest of lives of the individuals.

You know, it's it's basically what you catch on to as as a child what you pay attention to. Probably more often than what's explicitly taught to you.

I think that's what sticks more. Alright. I agree, there's quite a bit of things in school that I don't remember, but quite a bit, I suppose, overall, that I remember more from human interaction grown up, Shar?

Right whether it's nonverbal or or written or whatever? I I agree. Yeah. How things are communicated is not as important as what's communicated, but that more things are almost inherently or intrinsically, osmotically, I guess absorbed.

And not necessarily taught in the classroom. Yeah. Sure. I think there's a greater chance that children turn out, you know, as they grow up to be products of what they were exposed to not so much products of what they were taught.

And I think that says a lot to nonverbal interpretation maybe even what's drawn within a household more than what's written maybe to a greater degree than what's written, but but in comparison, what's spoken as well.

Yeah. Yeah. III totally agree.

Between those 2 books though, there's so much value in being able to communicate, but the capabilities of communication, you know, how you can communicate or through what mediums you can communicate and then let alone the message, and the impact it can have drastically varies, but it's undervalued, for sure.

Definitely undervalued. There's there's so much emphasis put on what you can see in movies and what you can hear or see online or read online and what you can hear, but We listed what?

6123456 different ways that you can communicate written spoken nonverbal what's drawn interpretive forms of communicating and then instrumental.

We talked about 6 different forms of communicating, and we're putting so much value in 2 any wealth adviser, I think, would agree with me in this case if you want something of value to grow you at least have to diversify within the same industry if not at least if not past that diversify within different industries.

In order to secure the overall value that you have.

Being able to communicate is no different. So the more stock we put into, what's another topic, say, racism, when all people are a human race. We're just perpetuating the same cycle. Right?

Racism, as I under standard at least as I interpret it, interpret it as a term, came because at the time, Black people or Asians or whoever was brought into the slave trade was viewed as a subservient race as a totally different race, dehumanized as a different race.

D human, not human. And so they refer to them as a different race, not human, referred to them as a different race, not a different color, referred to them as a different race.

Not human. So they were treated that way. Like dogs. That's the comparison. Right? Treated like dogs, dehumanized, a different race.

So the more we continue to say as an example, the more we continue to say that people are racist or encouraging racism or exhibiting racist behavior or slurs or whatever you wanna call it.

Inherently, the the inherent value in that, the negative connotation, but the inherent value in that.

Is that we're continuing to perpetuate the same cycle because everybody's the same race. So you can't be racist unless you don't like humans.

But That's another conversation for another time and place. Jimmy, I really appreciate you stopping by, man. I'm putting in some perspective and a quick couple of sense into the conversation.

Partter. It's not a problem. I I actually had a great time. I didn't expect to talk about so many books in a couple of these topics section, made me stop and think for a bit.

I enjoyed sitting here listening to it. Otherwise, I've got a couple other videos that I want to put up on his travel dad white tee. And we get back to discussions from Dublin.

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I appreciate it. Jimmy, they can't just like your your set man, your segment. It's it's the show as a whole. Part of maybe there's something we can do about that then. Because I I think my segments are pretty pretty important.

Okay. Alright. Yeah. I'll see what we can do. But, Jimmy, again, I appreciate your time, and we'll catch up with you next time. Right partner, all the insight I appreciate your time. Thank you very much.

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