Alrighty, folks. Welcome back to SDYT the podcast. I'm Porter. I'm your host. And here in the month of June, we're covering balance, learning, and loyalty is our core values for the month.

 

If you're new to the podcast, first off, let me welcome you to everything we're gonna discuss concerning values I want you to understand something that's important.

 

These are real people. These aren't necessarily celebrities, maybe in their own, right, not on the silver screen or stage. Right? These aren't interviews concerning super high profile politicians and CEO those.

 

And while that has its place and there's value in that, there's also value in talking to real people and having different opinions and in being able to construct that conversation over a bed of shared values.

 

And so here on the podcast, that's exactly what we're trying to accomplish.

 

Because after all survival does take communication. Now if you're a continuing listener to the podcast, welcome back. You sort of have an idea what you're getting into.

 

And I appreciate your time. This particular interview though, talking to a good friend of mine, he's out of Dallas, Georgia. Currently, in the middle of focusing on school, GI bill because, formerly, he was also in the Marine Corps.

 

We'll touch on all of those things. He's got crossfit experience working kids and obviously working with adults. So it's gonna be pretty cool.

 

But his name is Adam Renny, and before we get to him, let me be first to say, you guys are gonna enjoy this. So guys, I'm Porter. I'm your host, and this is SDYT the podcast. Alrighty folks. Welcome back to SD YT again.

 

My name's Porter. I'm your host. This particular interview Let me be the first to welcome to the show, Mr. Adam Renny. Renny, what's up, dude? How you doing buddy? Hey, hey, man. Thanks. I'm really excited again to to be here.

 

So thank you so much for thinking of me, of all people. It's humbling and I really appreciate it. So thank you again. That's probably believe the kindest response I've gotten so far. That's very gracious of you, man.

 

I I appreciate it. Thank you. And you're welcome. So we we talked about a few things that we're gonna cover and and we're gonna get to in due time. But for all of our listeners and Randy, I'm sure you're aware, but they can't see you.

 

So while we're talking on a video, they may not have any idea unless they know you. You are who they're listening to. So let's just start for a couple minutes, man, and let's build a little bit of relatability, man.

 

Who are you where do you live? What's going on in Renny's world? Sure. Sure. So, I guess the best way to start is how we know each other. So, I I joined the Marine Corps, technically, in a lot of eyes late.

 

I joined the Marine Corps when I was 24 years old. Oh. And, yeah, as for a lot of people that's that's considerably late as a matter of fact, I was older than some of my drill instructors, which is was an interesting journey.

 

But 1 of the reasons that I had joined the Marine Corps is I had a staff sergeant, a recruiter who actually is like, hey man, I'm not gonna lie to you. I don't know. The job that I was looking for, I was going to be in the band.

 

I'm gonna be a bass guitar player, which I ended up being. That's what I was. Yep. But my big desire my big desire is I wanted to go through MAI training. Like, I saw that this recruiter, he had 3 red tabs on his belt.

 

He was huge. He had a record while he was in Japan because he was allowed to fight professionally while he was there. He was sponsored by a Japanese beer company. Oh, wow. And I just I thought that we're open.

 

So I was like, oh man, I This this obviously is for me. So I joined the Marine Corps with the idea that I was gonna be super fit super dangerous, but no better friend, no worse enemy kind of thing. Sure.

 

And so when I got into the Marine Corps, that was 1 of the biggest rise that I have is I wanted to go through their MAI, which anybody who's listening who's not familiar with that acronym is their martial arts instructor certification course.

 

Which I ended up going through, and I absolutely loved it, which is where I got introduced to higher levels of fitness.

 

And so I was going through this course I had a friend, was like, hey, Randy, you should try this crossfit stuff, and I had no idea what it was.

 

Mhmm. And I watched a couple of videos from the crossfit games you know, the tier 1 athletes that, you know, the top 1 percent and I'm like, dude, there's no way I can do that.

 

But long story short, I followed that dream, and I got the Marine Corps to pay for, if I recall correctly, 14 different personal training certifications. Whoa. And along the journey, yeah, I got them to pay for a lot.

 

And along the journey, I met a couple other marines 1 of which who owns a Crossfit gym out in North Carolina, which was missing Link Crossfit and his name was Casey Hagstrom. Casey got transferred from California to North Carolina.

 

Later I too got transferred from California to North Carolina and I was fortunate enough to be invited to come to work and to drop in at the gym, which is where I met you as a matter of fact.

 

Wait, so this was just serendipitous. You you and Casey getting transferred from Cali. It just happened. No, Casey transfer he transferred a year ahead of like yeah, a year ahead of me, I believe.

 

I was working out at and working at CrossFit 08:58, which is where Casey was 1 of my original students actually Oh really. Yeah. He had a desire to open up a gym. Him and I had become very great friends while we were out there.

 

He moved out to North Carolina a year later, made it out to North Carolina and I was fortunate to be over there. True gets told I got sent to South Carolina first whenever he opened up his his gym.

 

But I made sure that I made it out for his grand opening. That's actually how I met Alan Bowes, who is now the owner of I think it's Black Heart CrossFit or CrossFit Black Heart.

 

I can't remember if it's I don't know if he's the owner. I'm pretty sure that's where he's coaching out of now, though. But either way Yeah. That's k.

 

So yeah. That that's basically how we met. But then so who did I meet? Who who is Adam Renny? Let's let's roll into you then. So Let's see. When I had moved out there, I originally joined the Marine Corps and I was in the band.

 

I was not satisfied with that journey and I had made a lateral move to criminal investigation division. While I was on OJT on the job training, I got caught speeding on my motorcycle in a -- There you go.

 

-- construction zone. Hey. Yep. And so I lost my job with criminal investigation division and I ended up being kind of without a job for 3 years while I was in Beaufort, South Carolina.

 

And that's actually how I got the Marine Court it's it's a really weird thing and basically was just kind of I had recently signed a new contract that got kicked out of the job I was supposed to go to and then they wouldn't take me back in the band.

 

So I spent 3 years looking for a job but they had to have something for me. So I literally was designate, like, undesignated marine. It was like my MOS.

 

It's like a weird number 86 62 or something like that. And so, I worked in the s 3 and because of this fitness background, the sergeant major who thank heavens for her, sergeant Major Smith and lieutenant colonel Foster.

 

If it wasn't for them who actually let me bend their ear and plead my case, they just told me and was like, hey, we believe you on your situation, work hard for us and we'll make sure that we work hard for you.

 

And sure enough, I got them to let me go to hit level 1, hit level 2, I petitioned to get my ISSA master trainer certification. I got my TRx certification.

 

I got my USA. W, which is USA weight lifting certifications. I got my crossfit level 1, crossfit level 2, crossfit kids, and all these certifications that didn't cost me much. If anything more than just sweat and time.

 

Yeah, there you go. And so that's what I was doing when I was in Beaufort and then I had been accepted to counter Intel and the lat move monitor said, hey, we're not actually going to let you lat move.

 

And again by happenstance, had met a different monitor and I had been told, hey, we're not gonna let you lat move and ream list.

 

We're just gonna we're gonna sever you from Ringcor. We're gonna give severance. We don't have to but we see that it's the right thing to do.

 

So at the time, I I was married and I told my wife and so we were planning on me getting out. And then on Monday, I get a phone call from the Latmove monitor and he goes, hey, did you know this particular master gunnery sergeant?

 

I was like, well, I had met him. I don't really know him and they're like, they're willing to take you into that job if you want it.

 

So, I Lap move to become an Embarker that following Wednesday. So within 2 days, I had been told, yeah, they told me, we're not gonna keep you to, hey, we really need you.

 

Yeah. So funny other words. That's how I got moved out to yep. And that's how I got moved out to North Carolina because I I took the job and I went from Beaufort to North Carolina.

 

I became in the Embarker for second tank battalion when they still existed. And then from there, I got moved over to Victor 3 2, which is an infantry unit as their log chief.

 

But I had all of this physical fitness and MAI training behind me, all the stuff I loved to do, which again, that's what put me in contact with you.

 

And that's, again, I'm super humbled that you thought of me of all people to have on your podcast.

 

So again, I will echo my thank you And Yeah. That is a wild story though. I didn't know any of that till right now. That's pretty crazy upbringing, especially in the Marine Corps, but you're also going to school.

 

What are you studying? So I am currently at Georgia State University in their law and society program which is a precursor and feeder program for law school.

 

Do you get to choose whether you want to specialize in prosecutorial or defense law or contract law or whatever facet? Not yet.

 

The lawn society major is kind of a it's an interdisciplinary studies, but it almost could fall under political science or criminal justice major because there's a lot of combined aspects to it or even even philosophy for that matter.

 

Sure. So there are a lot of legal studies courses.

 

Right now, my May master class I'm taking criminal law, which is a 4000 level series class. This coming summer for a regular summer semester, I will take tech law, entrepreneur law which is a combined course.

 

Sounds cool. Yeah. So there are things that can give you like a really strong foundation of going to law school. Oh, well, that helps.

 

Yeah. I imagine on top of the course load and everything else that's gonna come with learning legalities and legislation to accomplish that in legal precedent, you want as much of a leg up as possible? You're absolutely right.

 

So really to answer your question in interdisciplinary study in this undergrad, no, I don't get to pick. And they even tell you, in your year 1, don't even don't even choose yet because you're going to get so much law thrown at you.

 

I say, don't even decide on your first year because it'll just it'll be overwhelming, or even better, you don't know what you don't know.

 

So if I decide on something right now, but I find something later, I'm like, oh, I would prefer this and I don't want I don't stick my foot in my mouth.

 

Sure. I don't know anything about what you talked about and I'm pretty sure a torte is not a baked dessert. That's as far as my knowledge base goes. But what I think is gonna be interesting here in the near future.

 

And as I understand it anyways, concerning you know, whatever your or our listeners familiarity is with web 3 and this new sort of digital space that's well actively being constructed and expanded.

 

NFTs, not to get too much into this now. I think the reason the majority of them are gonna fall through is because it's like a stamp election.

 

It's just images, but it's superficial. I think what's gonna stick more to your point is the underlying smart contract. Right? A digital contract law infrastructure represented as a graphic.

 

So you can pull that graphic up, scan it like a QR code and then what actually shows up, for example, is the underlying digital contract that's represented by that picture as in the physical product represented by a bar code.

 

In stores now. Okay. Right? But I I don't think the legislation and contract law has fully caught up to any sort of precedent for smart contracts because they're new.

 

And and I think that's what's gonna take time. And once that legislation catches up, I think that's when an FTs are gonna be more profitable and popular. Since you just mentioned contract law, I thought it was an interesting parallel.

 

So you're not you're not far off either. So again, I can't offer legal advice -- Yes. -- because I'm not an expert. But I remember because a lot of people always ask that same thing, what are you going to choose for law?

 

And since you're bringing up, you know, digital law, contract law, entrepreneur law, all these things, that are, I remember talking to this friend of mine over at Georgia State law school, and he kind of drew a parallel between law and technology in the aspect of you ask a lot of people today, if you could go back 20 years and change what you were doing, what would you focus on?

 

And there's a lot of very wealthy people that would have been like technology technology technology, just tech tech tech. I would have changed over to tech because it exploded so hard and so fast, but it was so stable.

 

And so, in the area of cybersecurity law is not the idea of, say, cybersecurity itself but the law of the internet. Is who do you want regulating them? Yeah. Do you want the private sector and the people?

 

Do you want the government? It's so open right now from what I was being told, it's so open there is a lot of space in that cookie jar to stick your hand and then to again assign and take your portion of the pie.

 

Not to make this all about food, but No, I'm totally down.

 

I'm a big frozen pizza analogy guy. I'm with you. We'll go with pie. Yeah. It's gonna be interesting, man. And we're like in the, you know, what the eighties was to the Internet, the 20 twenties is to web 3.

 

So there's still plenty of time for it to develop but the hype because it can traffic and transmit and distribute so ridiculously fast by comparison you know, it's it's the digital well, what what did what did Elon almost say?

 

The Digital Town Square, I think, is is the rough translation there that he used for Twitter, but It just is and it's going to move well at at the speed of of digitization, I guess technically the speed of electricity.

 

It's the speed of light, the speed of photons.

 

They're it is. Mhmm. That that it's just gonna go fast, man. And a problem is that the the understanding the competence, the balance between the amount of people in the amount of competent people to make the legislation effective.

 

The sample groups, the technical analysis, all of the other actual backing to breed stability, isn't there yet. So until then, people are gonna keep trying to line their pockets as applicable and profitably, I guess, capable.

 

But until it catches up to that end state, which it won't unless it becomes popular enough where the governments see a need to do that and allocate time and resources to do that, But if it does and until that point, it's not gonna become mainstream.

 

That has to come first because governments aren't gonna authorize it unless of course you're like, you know, El Salvador or something where you've already legalized it. Bitcoin, for example, as a legal tender.

 

Either way, we're getting a little off track here. The the point being though, that I guess indirectly, there still has to be balance between what you're trying to accomplish and what you hope to attain.

 

In your line of work, more applicably as a student, as a father, just as an adult human being, the lessons learned aren't necessarily the lessons taught because what you can infer from those aspects.

 

After the fact in hindsight may not be anywhere close to at all what you hoped to push out to people to learn.

 

And so in in your experience as a student as a father as an adult, let's just couch it there. How do you encourage that or say future generations like like your daughters? Or their friends or kids you worked with in CrossFit.

 

So you brought up something that you and I have talked about in the past the idea of lessons learned are not necessarily the lessons taught Another aspect we talked about is I'm not raising kids.

 

I'm raising future adults. I have to make sure that they can be self sustainable and self functioning.

 

So therefore, I have to know what is the lesson that they're learning, not what I'm trying to teach, because I can try to teach a ton of things all day long, But if their behavior doesn't match what I think that I'm teaching, then that means that they're learning something else.

 

Mhmm. Then I have to ask, what is the lesson learned as opposed to the lesson taught? And 1 of my examples that I and I know we've talked about this in the past is, you know, I love my parents.

 

I had a great childhood. As a matter of fact, as an adult, I see a lot of the sacrifices that my parents made that I had no clue about as a kid.

 

But some of the things that I look back on my childhood, I look at the lesson that I learned versus the lesson that I think my parents were trying to teach.

 

And 1 of those lessons is meeting my kids where they are. Like I said, I love my parents. I don't wanna speak ill of them.

 

But I do know 1 story where I really wanted to go to a lacrosse game. I wanted to go see the Denver outlaws, and I had purchased tickets. I told my dad, I was like, hey, dad, let's go to this lacrosse game.

 

I was like, nah, I don't wanna go. Like, dad, don't even worry about it. I got tickets. I purchased the tickets. You know, no money out of your pocket. Just time and gas. He's like, no, no, I don't wanna go.

 

I was really bummed. I was really bummed. Am I sweetheart of a mother, she walked in and she's like, why don't you go? He's like, because I don't like that kind of thing. I don't like this. I don't like that sport.

 

And I her as I was walking away in the hallway. She's like, you don't have to like the sport to like your son. Now like I said, I was like a little motion. I was touched in my heart. I was like, wow, that's that's crazy.

 

That's a deep lesson. What my dad likes today now. Oh, he likes lacrosse. He likes lacrosse because we went not only did we go to the game and he had a good time. He later got into the Colorado Math which is their indoor lacrosse team.

 

Uh-huh. And so he liked it and now That was 1 of the lessons that I had to remember what was the lesson learned versus the lesson taught. The lesson that my mother taught was that you like your kids for who they are.

 

Not for the qualities that they like or sorry, not the qualities but for the activities that they like. As an example, now, this past year, my oldest daughter, She is really into this anime called demon slayer, super popular.

 

Sounds family friendly. At the beginning, I'm sitting here rolling my eyes. I'm like, oh, man, anime is not my thing. You know, like I can appreciate Japanese art. It's just not really for me. It's not for me.

 

And my wife made a comment about meeting my daughter where she's at. Oh, man. That's basically what my mom told my dad. Yeah. And so when I saw my my daughter next, I told her, I was like, okay, tell me about the demon slayer.

 

Man, did she get oh, so excited. So excited. She got so excited. She told me all about it. I couldn't remember the main character's name for like a week.

 

I kept calling him something way different. But I ended up learning about the character. Let her share the manga comics with me. And I ended up getting a subscription to crunchy role so we could watch the episodes.

 

And now I like it. I enjoy it. It's a fun story. And it's because you said subscription to crunchy role? Yeah, crunchyroll dot com is a streaming service for anime.

 

Okay. Alright, got it. Got it. No, not to be ready to serve the benefit here. Yeah. I got that because at the end of it, the lesson that she probably could have learned was My parents don't care about the things that I like.

 

I'm not important to my parents. They don't steam me for who I am. That could have been the lesson learned. But what I'm hoping now the lesson that has learned is my dad loves me for who I am.

 

And I'm hoping that when she's in my position later, she'd be like, man, I might have done some stuff that my dad thought was weird, but he was he was there being weird with me.

 

Mhmm. Because the lesson that could have been learned was I'm here on my own and I didn't want that. I needed to meet her where she was. And so doing that, saying it doesn't matter if I like it or if I don't like it.

 

And it's not a question of being untrue to myself, it's a question of being loyal to my family. Because that's the 3 things we're talking about, balance, learning, and loyalty.

 

Mhmm. I had to learn the things that she liked. It didn't matter if I liked it or not. I'm a grown adult. I can go do things that I like anytime that I want, but I love my family.

 

And therefore, the loyalty to them regardless of the things that they like, as long as they're not hurting other individuals, or hurting themselves, I can learn to like that as well.

 

And sure enough, I did. We sit down and we we've watched it. Some people may disagree. About letting an 11 year old watch a show where the whole baseline is is humans decapitating demons with katanas.

 

But as far as I'm concerned, it's animated, and it's an opportunity that I get to snuggle up with my babies and be there for them. And hopefully the lesson learned is that family is a safe place and they can always come here.

 

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Well, yeah. Hope but to your point, some people may disagree with humans decapitating demons, but I'll tell you man, depending on how you spin it anyways, there's definitely some value in learning to battle your demons.

 

And however you personify that whether it's animated or actual really can go a long way.

 

Right? Like yeah, that that I don't even know. I'll make up now. But that green demon that dropped down from the sky and ate that squirrel that the human came over and cut his head off.

 

That's greed. If that demon had some time to just wait, relax and be more patient, that might not have You know like whatever. Who knows?

 

But But but the conceptual parallel here obviously to to slaying your own demons I think is not too far from the factual truth there in the episode. But I like what you put out about just give other people a chance to feel validated.

 

You know whether they're your kids, your neighbors, your grandparents, your parents, their great grandparents, whatever applies that it goes a long way because then you a little bit more appreciated.

 

I don't have to like everything that you do or even in this podcast for example. I don't have to like actually anything you bring up as a topic.

 

It may not be my thing. But we can still talk about it. We still have a conversation about just a shared interest as a general point of reference that you are passionate about TV shows.

 

Well, I can be passionate about some TV shows too. The difference being which shows they are and how they make me feel under what circumstances is irrelevant.

 

But we both can have something to bond over even though we haven't seen each other in years and we're talking about something arguably pretty ethereal, you know, like TV shows or demon slayer in this case.

 

Sure. It's interesting being able to do that with kids and kids as a relative term here could be any age, I guess.

 

But it's interesting trying to do that with kids because more often than not generically speaking, their imaginations are so expansive and the amount of controls that they have is so unlimited at that point.

 

But for us as adults to try to keep up with them and where their heads at and how their imagination is creatively manifesting these concepts and themes.

 

That I found is often the harder and sometimes more exhaustive aspect of trying to relate with kids because I I've got different controls in my brain now.

 

You know, I don't under how could you possibly think that this rabbit jumped threw the window into your classroom and then became your school pet for the year.

 

The window was closed. No rabbit got in there. You know, like my imagination is limited now. But yours, the rabbit was blue. He got in and because it was sunny outside, he was able to control fire with his mind.

 

That's just what the rabbit did. Yeah, bud, you know what? That was a firebending earth rabbit. You're totally right. Yeah, I get it. That's the 1. Yeah. And and so it's tough to get there though, you know.

 

So how do you how do you balance it out? The relating, I guess, of of your perspective to their imaginations with these are just the constructs of reality and you still have to abide by some of these rules.

 

If I'm understanding you right, I think you just used actually the word is balance. I mean, there's gotta be a time and place for everything.

 

For example, you know, during the day, my littlest 1 shall come up. Dad, I show you something. But I'm in the middle of reading Supreme Court precedent because I'm doing it for class.

 

Mhmm. And I telling her is like, okay, baby, I'll be there in a minute. I run a Pomodoro timer. I do 25 minutes on, I do a 5 minute break, I do 25 minutes on, I do a 5 minute break, and then I go spend time with my littlest 1.

 

Because she needs my time. If I spend all of my time at the computer, the balance is gone. And then trying to match with her, I know that when it's time to spend time with her, she's in control of the time.

 

If she wants to, 1 of her favorite things right now, my littlest 1, her addiction, her ability to speak words fluently, is progressing.

 

She watched all the Harry Potter movies with her big sister. So now she'll grab the chopstick that we have and she'll hand me a chopstick and she go, dad, she go, dad, you expel Yarmus.

 

Okay, okay, baby. I'll expel Yarmus. I know the wand is a chopstick and I know that no matter how many times she recites that incantation, that chopstick is not flying out of my hand.

 

But when she looks at me and slowly, you know, laughs and goes, Exparmis, I know it's time to throw the chopstick. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's what the movie does.

 

She's in control of the time. It's her time. I'm meeting her where she's at. I maybe in my thirties, she's 3. Yep. Thinking like a 3 year old is easy, just ever watch kids at a playground, they play hard.

 

They take their playtime very seriously and they play hard. Sure. But they don't look serious. They're dying, laughing, they're rolling around in the gravel, they're running back and forth. They are playing hard. That is their business.

 

Because then it's the same thing. A teacher has to wrangle them back in and then put them in their seats. I think of how hard that is for every teacher in America who's trying to get these kids after recess to calm down -- Yeah.

 

-- and time to learn, finding that balance, trying to mirror that to my littlest 1, You know, hey baby, I've got these things. I'm coming down. When this when this beeps, it's play time. And then she's in control.

 

I can be out of control for a little while, which is the best part about it. Because my again, since we're talking about balanced learning and loyalty, I have to balance my time or else my my babies are gonna feel abandoned.

 

And then whenever I go and it's their time, let them control the time with me so they can have a good time. Then I'm gonna meet them where they are.

 

There's no way that I'm gonna get my 3 year old to come reach Supreme Court precedence with It's not gonna happen. Yeah. Right? It won't happen, but my 3 year old can get me to come build trains with her.

 

Oh, yeah. There's definitely a a balance, and I think it's difficult when you're talking about time or attention to a particular project or to your family or or to whatever.

 

But I think it's very easy to lose sight of that as a priority and how to have that lesson, that sometimes it's okay to not reallocate your time.

 

Sometimes you just have to meet a deadline. Sometimes you just have to push yourself, you know, so how do you how do you introduce those concepts?

 

So 1 of I'm probably gonna mess this quote up, but there there's quote that a long line says that a problem will expand to the amount of time given to complete it.

 

Regardless of whatever the problem is, if I just say, Tomorrow, I'll do this thing. You said it earlier, this ethereal, the tomorrow. Tomorrow never comes. Mhmm. Tomorrow, I'll complete this thing.

 

Unless you give yourself like you said a hard deadline, a lot of productivity gurus talk about this where they say, give yourself a false deadline, give yourself a a time hack and then give yourself like, what is your win for the day?

 

If I say that the 1 thing that is gonna make my day an actual win is allocating 1 full hour of playtime with my 3 year old, then I need to prioritize that 1 thing.

 

If I have a chapter that I have to read, then I will say, I'm going to read this chapter by blank o'clock. And give myself that deadline because if I don't, if I just say, oh, tomorrow I'll read the chapter. Tomorrow is 24 hours. Mhmm.

 

That problem will expand the amount of time given to complete it. If I say, I've got 1 hour to read this, then I can set a timer and just read. And if I complete it earlier in an hour, that means I can work the task and back things up.

 

We talked about earlier about teaching lessons to my children is like, hey, we prioritize and we stay in balance. I get this thing. I got done early, now I had to complain with you.

 

What is the lesson learned? That dad is working through it, so the reward is playing with me. Hopefully, the lesson learned is that my kids believe that they are a reward to my life, not a responsibility.

 

Yes, they are responsibility but if I treat them like a reward, if I say, I've got 1 hour, I'm gonna read this and then I'm gonna come down.

 

And if I come down after 45 minutes, and my 11 year old's there and be like, hey, I'm done early.

 

Let's start play early. Let's start the show early. Let's go out early. Mhmm. But the lesson that I'm showing them is like, I wanted to get this done. Because I love you, because I wanna hang out with you, you're important.

 

That stuff is requisite. Yes, it's important for a different type of reason, but I wanna get this done. And so therefore, if the deadline doesn't happen, I still only had that hour.

 

So let's say I said, I have this chapter. I'm gonna I'm giving myself 1 hour to read it. After that hour, if it's not complete, then I need to start a new plan, but I can't let something else important fall by the wayside.

 

So if I said, hey, baby, I have 1 hour to read this chapter and then I'm gonna come downstairs. If that hour hits, that hour hits.

 

If I then have to sacrifice something else like sleep or some enjoyment time, that's what needs to be sacrificed. Going to school because I wanna be a lawyer, I wanna be a lawyer so I can support my family.

 

But I don't wanna work all day long and never enjoy the reward that is my family. Sure. So if I can work to task, get it done, and then come back and say, hey, I still have work to do, but I I promised you I'd be here in an hour.

 

I'm keeping that promise. What's the lesson learned? Dad keeps his promises. Dad is a safe, a safe person to talk to. He follows through. Yeah. And Now I hope that's the lesson learned.

 

There it is. Yep. Yep. That's exactly what I was gonna say. Like you you can help ensure that that's the case, right, by just explicitly that if it seems like it might get lost in interpretation.

 

Because sometimes, right, people are only gonna infer based on their perspectives. What they pick out of a situation or out of a catalyst or out of a event.

 

But to ensure that what you want to get across actually gets across cause. And then sure. Yeah. You may need to actually explicitly bring it up. But, I mean, that's the point of setting boundaries too. Right?

 

It's not just for how people treat you. Or how you let people treat you. Like you brought up sometimes you just need to set boundaries for yourself and how you let yourself treat other people or how you manage your time or whatever.

 

And and I think all of these capabilities to establish boundaries are important.

 

How do you recommend or how do you fall back to encouraging the importance of in teaching and talking through boundaries, then what what advice do you have?

 

What you take? I suppose it depends on on what boundary because boundaries is is broad.

 

Sure. It's very, you know, boundaries with your time, boundaries with your body, boundaries with your emotions, boundaries with your interpersonal connections, can be a very broad thing as we've talked about it at our house.

 

Well, okay, so let's start at the beginning then. How do you define boundaries. If I say it's important to set boundaries and you're, I don't know, 8, 09:11 years old and you're like, okay, but what are boundaries?

 

What do you mean? I'll go with another Xxiom that I learned from a different RingCore officers, I never take no from the person that can't tell me yes. Because the person that can tell me yes has the authority to tell me no.

 

I remember an officer telling us that because he he was trying to get some of some of the enlisted to to do this task and they would call and they talked to this person and I'll throw out some rank out there.

 

Be like a staff sergeant, calls over to whatever admin office and a corporal answers, and he's like, sorry, staff sergeant, we can't do that.

 

Staff sergeant goes back to the officer and says, yeah, they're not allowed to do that. He goes, who'd you talk to? So I talked to corporal whoever.

 

He goes, you're a staff sergeant. Why didn't you talk to the staff and CIC over there? Mhmm. Well, that's just who picked up the phone. So then the officer calls over to 1 of the officers over there and says hey, I need this thing.

 

Can we get this done? Because yeah, we usually don't do that but Oh, yeah. I can do that in this case. Just send somebody over. Sure. Well, he took no from somebody who didn't have the authority to tell him yes.

 

And that I think is when it comes to your time as far as the boundary, you have authority to say yes and you have the authority to say no. And I think you should be emboldened and bolstered to say no.

 

1 of the things I'm getting into this year is stoic philosophy. And 1 of these stoics philosophies is you need to ask yourself, is this essential? And I think this comes from Marcus Aurelius.

 

You need to ask yourself, is this essential? If it is not essential, you don't need to be doing it. Because when you say no to the non essential, you can say yes to the essential and you can do the essential better.

 

I like that. Well, it's sort of like the pareto principle, right? Like eightytwenty rule. You decide you decide what the, you know, most important 20 percent of the things are and spend 80 percent of your time on them.

 

Right? Is that similar to what you're describing or am I missing the point? It's in the same vein. The idea is that we waste a lot of our time, but it's within our control of what we're doing with the time.

 

Another aspect of the philosophy of stoicism is that all time in the past belongs to death. You cannot get it back. It is therefore dead. So we need not we don't need to dwell on what was happening in the past.

 

Live for what's coming up. So if I'm trying to teach my children about like their boundaries and say, what is this thing that you wanna do? If my my oldest, she wants to be an artist. She has been doing arts since she was a little girl.

 

And I've watched her art get better and better and better. And so we always emphasize go do art instead. So 1 of the boundaries that we set in the house, we don't have television service.

 

You've got Internet, but we don't have television service. And so she'll ask my wife, hey, can I use the iPad? And she'll go, no. Go get your coloring. Go get your pencils.

 

She has a pencil set like a shading pencil set and another colored pencil set of like 250 shades. Oh, and I've watched her art get better and better because she was forced to be bored, she wasn't allowed to be placated by an iPad.

 

So, we set this boundary saying, no, we're not gonna do that, but it has therefore boosted another goal of hers, and that's another thing that we're teaching like, hey, as an adult, you'll greatly appreciate all the hours you spent coloring and shading and coloring and shading as opposed to all of the games that you possibly could have played on an iPad.

 

Yeah. And the same thing goes with her and her little sister, you know, whenever a 3 year old is annoying the 11 year old, you know, and the 3 year old starts to throw a fit, we can tell her like, no.

 

Your sister does not have to let you do that. And in the same vein, we'll look at the older 1 and be like, hey, think of it. You're 3 times older than your little sister, and we are 3 times older than you.

 

Mhmm. Would it be acceptable for us 3 times older than you to talk to you the same way that you're talking to your little sister you being 3 times older than her, the idea of at least defining the boundaries in the moment.

 

I like that. Yeah. Because I would never kids are gonna annoy each other.

 

Symptoms will annoy each other. So when my 3 year old is annoying my 11 year old and my 11 year old goes, get away from me. Then I can say, hey, let's set a boundary right now. You're 3 times older than your little your little sister.

 

She's 3. You're 11. I'm in my thirties. 3 times older than you. If you were to come up to me to give me a hug because you wanted to show me affection and I said, well, get away from me.

 

Would it hurt your feelings or would it not hurt your feelings? And she'll look down and she'll be kind of bothering me like my love.

 

I'm not. I'm not getting on to you. I'm just asking you. Would your feelings be hurt if I said that to you? She goes, yes. And I said, your little sister, she absolutely loves you. She adores you. She idolizes you.

 

You're absolutely allowed to have bodily autonomy. You're allowed to create those boundaries. Absolutely allowed to. Just ask that, think of the kindness that you show her because she is just infatuated with who you are.

 

You're a superhero to her. As a matter of fact, 1 of the things that I'll say, as I'll tell her for her, you're 1 of the Hashira, which is the top ranks of the demons layer core. Oh, I see.

 

So for her, I again, I get to I get to meet her where she's at because she has this affinity for the show and she likes to do a lot of the cosplay and the stuff that go with them and in a situation like, yes, you're allowed to have that boundary.

 

You do not have to permit somebody to come into your physical space, family or not if you do not want it.

 

Also ask that you treat others with kindness and with love and and let them know. This is my boundary, and then if afterwards they encroach upon it after you've said something, then you can escalate it.

 

But to start out with, ugh, get away from me. It's teaching the boundaries in a multifaceted kind of way. She has absolute authority to say no.

 

She has authority to say yes and no, especially when it comes to her bodily autonomy. Nobody in my house should be able to say otherwise. It's her body. I should not have to say, don't you dare do that?

 

You will let your sister hug you. That's not a good precedent to set because then somebody could say that if she's an 18 year old or a 22 year old and somebody else says, yeah, there's this absolutely not, you get over here.

 

I will kiss you. You're like, that is not a way I would want anybody to treat my daughters.

 

So I will not allow that to be mirrored in the house even at a lower level. I have to make sure that they know where their boundary is, but also how to treat other people and how to escalate when necessary. Yeah.

 

And I think a lot of that to your point of sort of being present in the moment, not just to reach somebody and convey a point, but temporally, in that moment to be able to learn to actively listen because in order to establish boundaries as you're describing them, you've got to be able to actively and accurately interpret what the situation is, not that it needs to be fixed or specifically addressed, but to be able to if the need arises.

 

Right? So you have to be president in the moment. And I imagine focusing on, say, like you said, Supreme Court precedence and then rolling back to a tea party with a frozen theme is difficult to go back and forth regularly.

 

I'm sure there's not much overlap there except maybe an IC demeanor.

 

Having you're welcome for that, but having the ability to at least mentally set up these sort of boundaries for yourself to be able to compartmentalize and address and handle and help manage is is is beneficial and and to your stoicism point interestingly enough, living in the present sort of like you said, the time in the past belongs to death.

 

Living in the present, is is sort of the antithetical perspective to that point, where you've got a focus on what's happening at the moment to the people who are there and not I'm here.

 

I'm in the conversation, but really my mind is elsewhere. There's a guy.

 

His name's Nathan Defor. And Nathan, if ever you hear this man, I'll tag in this and feel free to reach out. But you can find him on TikTok. If you've got that platform, you can also find him on Instagram if you've got that platform.

 

He's he's an educator and in terms of reaching people where they're at, like TikTok, for example, You can find his videos where he writes, makes, and I assume also edits and produces his own material.

 

Their rap videos about educational topics. He did a video about recycling.

 

He did a video about stoicism, but not to trump him up too much in this what we're trying focus on you, but since stoicism came up, if you get the opportunity to track him down, he's also a PhD and so he's got some academic research backing to what he's putting into these Yeah.

 

It's pretty neat. I I haven't seen anything else sort of at that caliber that's also been that entertaining since to a certain lesser degree, Epic grab battles of history.

 

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I'm still your host for now. This is still SDYT the podcast. 1 of the pieces that you brought up though was fostering a growth mindset towards whatever goals, individuals set for themselves.

 

In this case, you had mentioned your older daughter as an artist and her skill sets in that capacity drawing or painting whichever applies.

 

But 1 of the things you said was by not having access to a tablet, she was forced to be bored in pursuit of encouraging growth in her goals. I'm paraphrasing, but in that regard, forced to be bored.

 

I'm in a developed country by first world economic standards, arguably in a pretty beneficial point in my life where I don't have to sleep outside all the time, and we're talking about professional know, mission sets aside here.

 

I don't have to sleep outside all the time to wake up sweating because I don't actually have a roof I don't actually have clean water.

 

So now I'm dehydrated and I get up and I'm dirty. I haven't showered in a week and I just gotta find a way to entertain myself until sunset when I can actually get some rest and it's cooler.

 

Then I gotta deal with mosquitoes what like we're not talking about that disparity just as a general construct.

 

Whatever you have that normally you use, methodically or otherwise, to entertain yourself and placate your downtime or productively use your downtime there's an importance and I think it's understated and underrated, but there's an importance to being bored.

 

I think boredom has a value as well and it's not like What was the was it Brad Paisley? Took the stickers off my Rubik's cube and watched MTV all afternoon.

 

Oh, Kenny Chesney. I think it's who it was. It was a -- Got it. -- nineties song but, you know, there's an importance to being bored. It teaches you something about yourself.

 

Know that kind of solitude or frustration or anger or just like, you know, I picture it as like laying on the couch with your head where your feet would go and feet up on the back of the couch and you're staring at a wall because you're like, I can't I gotta get I don't know what to do.

 

I'm so bored, you know like that level of boredom. Yeah. How do you encourage goal pursuit when you're bored?

 

You're like I don't wanna do anything but I can't find anything to do. How do you manage that? Are you talking about me within myself or -- No, ever. -- within the family or However, how would you want to attribute that?

 

I do not have the luxury of being bored. Right now. Okay. And and I say it like that, you know, before we started this, we're talking about I had a friend who who kindly gifted me some technology to make school easier.

 

Mhmm. You know, in this in this May master right now that I'm studying criminal law, I've got to cram 14 weeks into 3 weeks. So, I'm watching videos on 1 screen. I'm taking notes on another screen.

 

My my schooling right now in this May master can literally take me all day. Because I'll have 6 chapter, 4 chapters, 6 chapters to read, I'll have however many videos to read, how many of her notes to make, to notes to take.

 

There you go. I don't have at least as of right now, I don't have the luxury of being bored.

 

So I look forward to the time where I'm like, oh, I've got some free time and I can then pursue something that interests me. So 1 of those things being there is a book called Thank you for arguing -- Yes.

 

-- the book on rhetoric. Yeah, I'm familiar with that. Love you. I've read the book. I have a Kindle Digital copy but I recently had a chance to listen to it on Audible.

 

And so that's what I've been doing. I mean, relisting to it, but that's on my free time say when I'm in the car, I'll put it at 1 and a half speed or 1. 8 speed. I can listen to it a little bit quicker.

 

But other than that, I do not have the availability or like I said, the luxury of being bored. And I say that kind of what you were saying. When boredom gets added to your life, it causes that friction. It causes a movement.

 

You go find something. Like boredom is is the motivator behind creativity. You see a lot of people who like, oh, I was bored so I picked up painting and then I loved it. I was bored so I picked up drawing and then I loved it.

 

I was bored So I picked up digital photography and I loved it. They found something to fill their time. But all these things I'm talking about, they chose an activity over mindless application.

 

If you're bored, you can whip out your your Google device, your smartphone, and you can just peruse TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, whatever social media platform you want, you can do that.

 

And then what ends up happening afterwards, you're like, whoa, 2 hours just went by and I'm no better for it.

 

Yeah. The other option that you have, if you take those away, if you set a limit, you set a boundary with yourself. There's no social media between the hours of blank AM and blank PM.

 

And if you have a free hour and you've set that boundary, what are you going to do with it? Oh, yeah, I forgot I have this book. Thank you for arguing. I'm gonna go read that and all of a sudden your rhetorical tools are now sharper.

 

You've now gained something in the end of the day, when you take a look at how your day was spent, you can say, oh, that little piece of boredom wasn't boredom the way that Schopenhauer viewed boredom.

 

I do not have the luxury of being bored.

 

My my time is allocated whether it be school, working around the house, And then even though I labeled it number 3, it's still number 1, is the time I get to spend that just quality time with my family.

 

Even if I don't find myself being better I can sit there and and watch a movie.

 

I can watch a kid's movie. Like, I can't tell you how many times I've watched the nightmare before Christmas because my 3 year old thinks that, pumpkin Jack is just the greatest thing. My 11 year old sick of it, my wife is sick of it.

 

But when all of us are cuddled up together, we've got this huge couch and when we're all cuddled up on the same little square. Yeah. I'm better for it because my family was there with me. That's my reward.

 

That was my reward for a hard work. Mhmm, I like that. And Man, Schopenhauer, yeah, great great guy. Schopenhauer was not a very nice guy. He was very bully We looked into him a little bit in in my philosophy course this year.

 

But he looked at life as as suffering in a in a poor negative kind of way he looked at he called boredom a positive because it's something that is added to your life and he called any sort of joy, a negative because it's the removal of boredom or the removal of some sort of suffering.

 

As an example, he says, hey, if you're hungry what's been added to you, the feeling of hunger. So that's a negative like it's a negative feeling but it's a positive has been added to your life.

 

Right? So therefore, this negative feeling is a positive addition. And then when you feel full is because you've negated hunger because you ate.

 

Now he goes and expands that. Into basically life is suffering and if you're bored, why do we even live? If we just live for boredom, not a super positive dude.

 

But, you know, there there's an importance, I guess, to hearing perspectives like that which that 1, it's not really that it's backwards, I guess, mathematically it's pretty interesting on a sort of gain loss type scale.

 

But but being exposed to perspectives like that to understand how either negative connotations or some sort of, you know, delinquent imbalance to a positive growth or aspect affects people and and the way that they think and see things is -- Right.

 

-- is always a good balance, I think. Because to hear that things are good all the time, obviously, is going to be faked and it's in genuine.

 

But to hear that things, in my opinion, are poor all the time, like some sort of victimized mindset, and are negative all the time, is just as detrimental because, in my opinion, that's equally as in and you can't have 1 extreme or the other extreme and have them both be relevant.

 

The middle ground, maybe there's a compromise that is factually actual yeah, it's always interesting to hear those different types of perspectives.

 

With that being said though, speaking of different perspectives and what you're able to learn from other people and from what you read and from what you see and hear like we talked about Nathan Dufor and now Schopenhauer and some other, I guess, illusory references to what you're learning in school.

 

1 of the things that you mentioned to me off the air, there's And correct me if I'm wrong, I'm pretty sure he's a yogi. I'm not sure though. Ram Das, We talked about him a little bit.

 

And 1 of the things you mentioned to me was in doing and learning and experiencing all of these inputs, whether it's regards to stoicism or legalities, society as a whole really discourages discourage is going through life as an individual.

 

You may experience it as an individual, but you're going through it together as a society.

 

That's why laws are in place to protect certain people to give priority to others, I. E. If you're driving, pedestrians have the right of way in the states. But it's to support the ability to drive and walk in the same environment.

 

It's not to support 1 over another. Right? Like societal laws and customs are meant to support the society writ large And 1 of the points that you brought up to me is that he said, we're all basically just walking each other home.

 

Remember that when you when you told me that? Yeah. Actually, that's a that's a quote my wife told me. Oh. No. No. It's a it's a Ram Doss quote. You're absolutely right.

 

It's a Ram Doss quote, but I learned it because my wife was and I were talking about it 1 night. But what relevance do you see in that aspect of teamwork in breeding each other's I guess learning styles and exposure to different things.

 

And what does that quote even mean to you for that matter? That quote, I mean coming from Ram Dawson of all people if I recall correctly. He he was a mystic and a philosopher. And the idea, everybody you meet is walking.

 

We're all going a direction. Mhmm. At the end of this, to quote another stoic philosophy of Memento Mori, My favorite translation is remember death comes for us all. Most people just say, remember we all must die, so Memento Mori.

 

If we're all going to die, this is an unavoidable aspect of life. It ends. And what we learn along that path as we go day to day, step by step, a little bit forward, a little bit forward, everybody we meet is also walking with us.

 

At the end of the day, everybody we meet is just walking us home to conceptualize if you ascribe to any sect of Christianity, conceptually, you're trying to make it to heaven.

 

If you're like some of my friends, who want to make it to Volhala, you know you're gonna end, that's where your goal is.

 

Every person that you walk with is just walking you home, if that is home. Because you will, depending on your version of religion or theology or philosophy, you're gonna die, and your body at nothing more will be returned to the earth.

 

And so anybody that you meet, whatever they're walking in their path, they're just walking you home.

 

Another way of looking at it is I don't remember who said this quote, but he I think it might have been a former US president who said there was never a man that I didn't learn something from.

 

I've heard that. Yeah. Or as he said, I wasn't so ignorant. And that's the idea that you can learn anything, not anything so to speak, but you can learn something from everybody.

 

If that is like, hey, I learned from this person how to not treat people. I learned from this person how to not act in a tense situation I learned this thing.

 

I want to add that into my creed. I learned this thing. I want to add it into my code. Well, you learned it from somebody else. They were just helping walk you home.

 

Wherever home is. So, being able to learn anything or not anything again, but learn something from anybody -- Mhmm. -- good or bad that is the whole point I believe behind the we're all just walking each other home.

 

I like that. And to a certain extent, obviously, you may not realize it, right, especially to that end to that end state concerning death as sort of the home threshold there.

 

But through life as a perpetual journey and sort of growth mindset comparison, that if everybody in their own way, in their own role within anybody else's life is just walking each other home.

 

It's interesting that humankind as an entire I don't even know what you call it anthropologically.

 

As an entire species, there's an inherent loyalty then. Right? Like, worldwide regardless of culture, custom, language, religion, by that theory that we just discussed walking each other at home.

 

There's an inherent loyalty to that where you don't have to want to, but indirectly, directly, willingly or unwittingly, you're gonna play a role in somebody else's growth.

 

Somehow, you may not have control over it and it's not necessarily wrong, but you're gonna play a role, you know, so you almost owe it to yourself to try to make it a positive impact to to try to make it some sort of way to either better somebody in a direct application of your efforts or better yourself in a direct application of your interpretation of your efforts.

 

It gives you an opportunity to become a better human Right? I I think loyalty goes a long way sort of what you brought up in the beginning of you to your family regarding your time and your energy and your perspective.

 

To their growth and their betterment as humans and as a family structure or to people you've never met before man like we'll get it right now.

 

We're talking on a podcast inviting anybody around the world to listen to this and somebody may get something out of it.

 

Somebody might not. I I mean I certainly hope so. Yeah. Sure. Right. But there's a very real possibility that the fact that nobody will get anything is a total fallacy.

 

Right? So -- Agreed. So making the effort can be arguably pretty minimal in terms of the amount of effort it takes you to have a broad reach but you never know. Saying all those things though, I really appreciate your time.

 

Being able to to block out, in this case, a over an hour, so we could sit down and talk about all these things, namely balanced learning and loyalty as topical considerations.

 

I I really do appreciate your perspective specifically being able to address some of these topics. So first of all, from from me to you, thank you.

 

Like I said, I said at the very beginning and I'll say it again, it's humbling to think that in your podcast where you're the host and this is a love of yours that you run and you're like, hey, Who do I want on here?

 

And my name came up, that's very humbling. And I don't say that with any sort of hubris or arrogance.

 

Again, it's it's very humbling to think that somebody out there yourself, namely, believed that I had something important to say or that I had something of value that could not only add to your show but anybody else who was listening.

 

So, the thanks is mine. I really appreciate you thinking thinking of me. Yeah, man. And thanks again, man, and do all of our listeners.

 

Thank you for joining in. And listen into some of these topics. If you've got anything you wanna contribute in the future to any topic ideas, any actual interview time if you're interested in jumping an episode as well.

 

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And lastly, before we close out, Renny, if anybody has anything assuming you've got the time and opportunity to relay to them, push them to any resources based on your knowledge base perspective, you know, fitness, cross fit parenting, whatever applies.

 

What is a way? What are some ways people could get in touch with you? I've got let's see, you can always email me if you really desire.

 

My email address is rennie snare at gmail dot com. It's an old email address for when I used to play in a Scottish Bag pipe band years ago. You can find me on Instagram at perky McJingles with 2 g's.

 

That was a it was a joke from 1 of those it was 1 of those holiday things that like buying the first letter of your first name and the first letter of your last name and this is your elf name and that's what I kept on my Instagram.

 

Or you can find my calligraphy or my kind of my business Instagram is that inks and idioms, but inks underscore and underscore idioms.

 

You can always find me there. I do my best to reply to anybody who's ever reached out, but That's where you can find me.

 

I'm active in those areas. All right perfect. I appreciate. Do you do custom work in your business? For a short time, it was a huge goal of mine to be a professional calligrapher.

 

As of right now, I'm out of practice, yeah, just due to school takes up a whole lot of time but for a little while there, I had been paid on a couple of occasions to do some some in grosser script work Okay.

 

Well, hopefully it continues. You know, sometimes you got to prioritize your time and efforts to the most immediate goal set or longest term benefit of a goal.

 

So know school being what it is, you can always get it back. But yeah, I I appreciate it so do all of our listeners feel free to reach out.

 

There you go and Randy will tag all of those profiles as in the ads for this particular interview, so anybody that sees this, you can also find the links to those profiles there as well.

 

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