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Chaos and Order: Finding Meaning in a Complex World with Guy Dazin

Become a Global Ambassador for Self-Worth. Text us your feedback! What does it mean to navigate a world where the controls are yours to develop? Guy Dazin, author, poet, and professor in Israel, offers a fascinating perspective on processing life's chaos through different "thinking hats." Dazin introduces us to psychological frameworks that shape how we approach problems—from the "black hat" of protective negativity to the "yellow hat" of optimism and the "blue hat" of emotional processing. T...

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What does it mean to navigate a world where the controls are yours to develop? Guy Dazin, author, poet, and professor in Israel, offers a fascinating perspective on processing life's chaos through different "thinking hats." Dazin introduces us to psychological frameworks that shape how we approach problems—from the "black hat" of protective negativity to the "yellow hat" of optimism and the "blue hat" of emotional processing. These different thinking modes represent our toolkit for making sense of an often chaotic world. "Ninety percent of the time, if you take things at face value, your life will be a lot smoother," Dazin suggests, "They will not necessarily be easier."

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00:00 - Welcome to Transacting Value

13:16 - Different Hats of Thinking

22:50 - Disenfranchisement and Social Discontent

33:57 - Taking Life at Face Value

43:28 - Developing Character

52:14 - The Art of Impressionism as Life

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The views expressed in this podcast are solely those of the podcast host and guest and do not necessarily represent those of our distribution partners, supporting business relationships or supported audience.

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Welcome to Transacting Value, where we talk about practical applications for instigating self-worth when dealing with each other and even within ourselves, where we foster a podcast listening experience that lets you hear the power of a value system for managing burnout, establishing boundaries, fostering community and finding identity.

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My name is Josh Porthouse, I'm your host and we are redefining sovereignty of character.

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This is why values still hold value.

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This is Transacting Value.

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You know, 90% of the time, if you take things at face value, your life will be a lot smoother.

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They will not necessarily be easier.

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Today on Transacting Value.

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How do you process the chaos?

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How do you know what to do in a world where the constraints, where the controls are yours to develop?

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There's so many different aspects that you can stand on and rely on, and today we've brought in author, poet and professor at the school at University of Bar-Ilan in Tel Aviv District of Israel.

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His name is Guy Dawson and we're going to talk all about it.

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Folks, I'm Josh Porthouse, I'm your host and from SDYT Media, this is Transacting Value.

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Guy, how are you doing?

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All right doing.

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Josh.

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It's a great honor and pleasure being on your podcast, appearing for the first time on your podcast, getting to know you talk with the pre-interview, about some of the values that we share, some of the stuff that we can, you know, transact to the public or the listening viewers or, you know, the audience.

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Thank you so much for having me.

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Absolutely.

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And also I understand it's basically the middle of the night for you, so I also appreciate your sacrifice and sleeplessness.

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It's 20 minutes past 11 pm, but that's fine.

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20 minutes past 11pm, but that's fine.

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It's not that hardcore the middle of the night well, nonetheless, I do appreciate it, and I want to clarify something too for everybody who's listening or watching I'm.

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I think I may have misrepresented you, so can you just take a couple minutes?

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Who are you, where are you from?

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What sort of things are shaping your perspective on the world?

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What do you do?

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Represented you.

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So can you just take a couple minutes?

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You know who are you, where are you from, what sort of things are shaping your perspective on the world.

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What do you do?

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Okay, so where do you want to begin?

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That's the question.

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Oh well, let's say your current career, and you know, like I said, what shaped your perspective.

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Yeah, Awesome.

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So let's begin with the career you know, currently contemporaneous.

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I'm a tutor in the preparatory school for English at Bar-Ilan University, the pre-academic study.

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So if you would like to, you know, be admitted or accepted into a recognized institution of higher learning and education, you pass through someone like me.

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So I focus specifically on the English side.

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You know I'm an English instructor but I also teach.

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You know writing, academic writing and method.

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You know all that stuff.

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Pedagogical method.

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I'm also a teacher.

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I have two degrees.

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I have a BA, a bachelor's in English Literature and Linguistics from Barlon University in conjunction with Art History, and a master's degree in Contemporary Jewry, which is the history of contemporaneous Jewry, judaism and and the art history.

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Yeah, also another advanced degree in art history and English literature.

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Okay.

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So I'm hearing a lot of themes that are very similar to learning and refining how to perceive the world.

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I mean, it's all expression, right.

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That's the idea, I guess, behind language or art or all of it.

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Yeah, it's more than self-expression.

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I think it's harnessing different principles, different methods, different grandiose ideologies or philosophies of an ideology motivated or fueled by some type of manifesto or some kind of doctrine.

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No, I mean something that is kind of universal in its essence, at its core.

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So, for example, psychology, like behavioral studies, pedagogy, has a lot of different angles and bends to it.

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It's not formally speaking, it's not a strict kind of method.

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No, there's a lot that goes into it.

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You know I started all the kind of behavioral as psychologists, all the.

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Do you know the story about the?

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Or the experiment of the hat?

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It's called the Bonds hats.

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Bon was a, he was a psychologist and he came up with a method.

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He drafted a method and that goes something like this there are different hats that we wear throughout our lives and they can represent a lot of different levels of thinking.

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Okay, so there's a lower type of thinking which always, you know, focuses on the bad, you know the drudgery, the mundane and doesn't allow itself, you know, to break out of its shell that it constructed for itself.

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And there are higher ways of thinking that break the consciousness, or the kind of indoctrinated procedure that we all undergo as humans.

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It's called an acculturation in a psychological term.

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You're human, you know, go through the process.

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You know the formal education system at least 12 years of kind of labor, but unpaid labor, or most of the time, you know, it's called the indentured servitude, indentured servitude for 12 years and a formal education.

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Can I ask you this real quick when you're talking about different orders of thought, or when you said different orders of thinking, are you referring to the output or the input or the processing in that cycle, like in terms of creativity, and the output or the interpretation of the inputs?

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What is that based on?

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It's the interpretation of the inputs.

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What is that based on?

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It's the interpretation of the inputs, as you said, it's the outlook, it's the stepping point, from which point you choose to tackle which angle you choose to tackle a specific problem, a specific dilemma, a conundrum that is not easily solved.

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So if you take a route of, let's say, just melancholy and depression, and you're just depressed all of the time, all of the time, and you cannot get out of that black cauldron that surrounds you, engulfs you, that's called a black hat.

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This is an negative, protective, okay.

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And there's a happy, cheerful, joyous, vivacious type of hat, the yellow hat, for example.

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If you choose to tackle problems with expressing your emotions, so that's called a blue hat.

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For example, you choose to focus on your emotional you know expression, as opposed to just being depressed or just being, you know, happy, or without any kind of consequences, or being happy just for the sake of, you know, your mental well-being in that present moment.

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It's not enough, though.

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There are different types of expression.

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So we can go, we can present a lot of the aphorisms and statements and we can present them in a way that will influence, you know, the person who tackles those dilemmas, and we can see which?

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What type of hat or which hat will he choose to, you know, to wear or don on his cap in order to, you know, solve the problem or to wiggle his way out of a stressful situation?

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Yeah, something like that.

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Okay, just to give one example, there's another great book by the great Zygmunt Voigt.

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It's called Culture, civilization and its discontents, which talks about.

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It's a sort of a kind of a Jungian collective unconscious, coupled with a lot of psychology, social behavior, behavioral psychology.

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So you mentioned civilization and its discontents, and then you also mentioned the different hats, the blue, the yellow, the black, the way people process information, right and so from a negative perspective, a positive perspective or emotionally, let's just say, creatively interpreting, whatever those things are.

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But then, when you're talking about discontents, I'm assuming what that means is based on a certain degree of discernment or inquiry that somebody has or possesses as they mature and grow up, that it's counterproductive or counterintuitive to its respective society.

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Is that what you're getting at?

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It's a roundabout way of saying you know the people who are disenfranchised in some way.

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All right, folks sit tight, We'll be right back on Transacting Value.

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He was just a teenager when his father died in a robbery.

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He laid awake one night and imagined a place where good would always defeat evil, Every wrong made right.

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He imagined a world of truth, justice and the American way.

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Through his loss, Jerry Siegel imagined a new hero.

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His imagination created Superman Imagination.

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Pass it on From PassItOncom.

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It's a roundabout way of saying.

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You know the people who are disenfranchised in some way.

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It doesn't have to be economically or class or status or you know all that stuff.

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It pertains more to a kind of a leaselessness.

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You know leaselessness that a large part of the populace you know possess about society as a whole and civilization.

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You know the fundamental civilization.

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They are based on a lot of different components and they can be historical, societal and psychological, religious, economic.

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Are these things that you picked up like?

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A lot of the things you're describing are conversations I would have with my buddies, right?

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Most of my professional career was in the Marine Corps infantry in the States, and so you know you go on long enough walks and stay up late enough at night.

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Eventually, these conversations just take shape.

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Is this where you picked up a lot of these, or you picked this up academically, or or you pick this up academically, or Hamlet's kind of dialectics.

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You know, always wondering, always pondering, always questioning everything in a sort of not a radical kind of perspective, because a radical perspective will try to break away from, you know, from the norm.

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And the norm states that you are a person who was born in a country, you are native to that country, you have a language, a tongue that you speak in.

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A language, a tongue that you speak in, you wear certain types of clothing, whether they be Occidental, what we call the West, and Oriental, what we call the East.

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It can be.

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You have certain types of the traditions in your country, you have certain types of religious gatherings or whatever.

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You are going to be born, get married and die in the same place that you were born.

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You're going to stay in the same place that you were born.

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You're going to stay in the same kind of niche that you built or carved out for yourself.

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Most people don't break away from that mindset.

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This type of indoctrination can be very positive, because the human is a primate, but the human is also, you know, a human, a homo sapien, a rational, conscious being that is able to make independent decisions as you.

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I'm going to borrow a term from you, he is a sovereign, you know he's a sovereign and he, you know, gets to dictate his own fortune and destiny, shape his own destiny.

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And Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche talked about the person being the author of his own story being incomplete and other stoical, methodical, clinical, even control of every aspect of his existence.

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And most people won't get to have that kind of experience.

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And you need to break at face value most of the time.

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Take everything and face value most of the time.

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You know, 90% of the time, if you take things face value, your life will be a lot smoother.

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There will not necessarily be easier.

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I'm glad you said that.

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Yeah, Yep, yeah.

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The complexity, I'm sorry to cut you off.

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The complexity, I think, the overlapping intricacy of whatever inputs happen in life.

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You know you oversleep past your alarm in the morning, you're running late for work, you burn your breakfast, your shirt has a hole in it and you put your pants on, you forget your socks, whatever, and that's all within 30 minutes when you start your day.

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You know the complexity I think that we've got in our lives as time just ticks and happens.

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Yeah, if you don't, if you're not nitpicking, you know about every detail that surrounds your life, everyday bonding, routine, uh, and also even you know special occasions or uh, different uh incidents that can be not as pleasant.

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You know, oftentimes, um, if you are, you know, that kind of stoical, that kind of um aesthetic uh being, you know that kind of stoical, that kind of um aesthetic uh being, you know your life will be a lot smoother, not necessarily easier.

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You know this kind of mantra, you know that life is just, you know it's a thread that starts from one point, ends at another, you know, without any interruption or disruptions, or, you know, peaks throughout that thread, you know.

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So it is a contiguous thread.

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A lot of people live their lives in this fashion.

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They are, you know, deterministic, they are driven, they are focused on one kind of task, one purpose that they want to achieve, one goal that they would like to, you know, to attain in their lives, you know, in order to be able to psychologically say to themselves well, I have something.

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You know, my life had some kind of meaning, some kind of purpose.

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You know.

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But that's important too, Of course.

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But so then I mean, does that make it a good or a bad thing?

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Or what's the impact of that degree of awareness and criticality?

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It puts you in my position when you are constantly, when you are a lifelong kind of skeptic, as I am.

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I consider myself not a liberal but a libertarian mostly, but I also consider myself a free thinker.

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I gravitated towards religion and mysticism and esotericism and the occult from a lot of the different reasons, because I think that keeping something in secret, you know, can have its own merit, you know and benefit, because it's not suitable for the larger populace.

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You know there are different concessions you need to make along the way, the way for enlightenment, to be that kind of stoical ascetic being to be completely and fully enlightened in your life, your personal life and your inner world, you know so be working tandem.

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You know there is no breaking between you know your value systems and the way you lead and choose, uh, to make your decisions, uh, throughout your life.

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How do you mean?

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I mean there can never be, you know, a hundred percent parity between your value system, your inner workings, your personal life, your family life, your inner workings, your personal life, your family life, your social life, your professional life and what is actually happening in terms of your actions.

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Yep, you can try to achieve parity in that, but it's almost pathological in my opinion.

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It's pathological to try to do that, because you can never be completely selfless.

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The psychological makeup of an individual is very complicated from a lot of different perspectives.

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We are constantly in a stride for domination value system what types of values and beliefs and credo we choose to follow in our own inner workings, our personal life psychologically, and the actions and the decisions that we choose to make in the real world.

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Am I making myself a bit more clearer?

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well, that's sort of what I was getting at earlier that complexity being so interwoven and natural, it's just innate, it happens.

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But so then, because of it being so layered and the, I guess, inherent fluidity of that process, you can't, I think, actually try to control it 100% to either favor you or only favor other people.

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Like you said, there has to be some inherent sacrifice in the process, where it may not always match up to what you want or how you think the world should be.

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Here's a perfect point.

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You live in Israel, at least right now, right Like you're there physically.

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The country is at war.

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That doesn't necessarily mean you are, you're a teacher.

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However, your life, your lifestyle, the media you hear, whatever there's going to be an influence, no matter how much you may want to stay absolved or get involved, yes, I am at least aware of these biases that would be able to actually execute perfectly, to measure and to time chronologically every step they will take along the way.

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This is a very rare occasion and that's why I call it ascetic type, the stoical, you know, very analytical, very logical, very aware, very self-conscious.

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The value systems of that person do not rely on the external world.

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The value systems of that person do not rely on the external world.

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Sure, internally driven, it doesn't matter what happens on the external world.

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Internally driven, it doesn't matter what happens on the outside, in the physical world.

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Actually, the value system relies solely, you know, on the individual and the very intricate and specific types of actions that they take.

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Yeah, okay, but for that to be In a perfect world.

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Of course we need to make all these concessions.

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You know, logical concessions, yeah.

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And so for all of the viewpoints that you've gained, this is something that I.

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Let's do this.

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This is a good time for a segment of the show called Developing Character D D D, developing Character, and so for anybody who's new Guy potentially you included, if you're unfamiliar.

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It's two questions and it's as vulnerable as you want to be, but here's the reason for the segment.

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Real quick to set the tone, I have a working theory that every single person around the world stands on their value system to make decisions, perceive the world, ground themselves and help to harness some of the cosmic chaos that drives the world.

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Yeah, and so that has to come from somewhere.

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Either it's nurtured or it's natural, and so I sort of like to start and phrase the two questions from those regards.

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So my first question is based on you growing up from what you remember.

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What would you say were some of the values that you were raised on or brought up around or exposed to when you were growing up?

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well, that's a great question, but that's just one question oh well, I was going to ask in sequence, but my second question is then.

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But whatever that answer is what are some of your values now and how has it changed?

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I was taught to be a very studious individual learner.

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I was taught to respect my elders and to hear their advice.

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I was brought up to be a good citizen, to practice my right as a civilian and as an individual to vote, for example.

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I was always very logical, very methodical in each step that I took, but I was always very spiritual in my nature.

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I would used to go to there was a kind of a vacant lot in the middle of nowhere and around my neighborhood and there was a tree, I think it was an olive tree or an oak tree, and what was fascinating about that tree?

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That its roots they were very firm, very wide, very strong.

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Its roots spread out or sprang out of a rock for some reason, like it split, you know, in the middle, and it was kind of fascinating, magical even.

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I would use to, you know, kind of meditate under that tree For hours on end.

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I would look, I would gaze at the sky and I was very fascinated, fascinated with the stars and the skies and all the different constellations, and the left heel body was very fascinated with that.

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You know, it's almost like magic.

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You know when, how the seasons change, how the how the stars appear, even now that I know all of all of the science, all the physics, all of the astronomy associated behind you know the natural phenomenon, I'm still very fascinated, very, you know, in awe whenever I see, you know, the stars, whenever I see the moon appearing, you know, in tandem with the sun.

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I see the sun in one part of the sky and in the other part I see the moon and it's fascinating to no end.

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To no end.

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And later on, when I was there in university and I took a course on Buddhism and Hinduism and I learned that the Buddha meditated under a tree, the Bodhi tree, for 60 years.

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For 60 years he never left that place.

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He was living the ascetic.

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You know spiritual, all the mantras, all his teaching he passed on to people who are just willing to learn, to drink from the well of knowledge that he was.

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And I'm not a Buddhist but, as I mentioned, I'm a free thinker and I just I try to parse the good from the bad from every.

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You know every discipline, every school of thoughts, every ideology, every book, every music.

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You know every song.

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Does it help you now, having started to form your own opinions, you know build your own discernment and perspective based on all these inputs, or does it just cause you to have more questions and less clarity?

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well, that's a good question.

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Um, it works.

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Uh, both ways.

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You know, it's just the spectrum.

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You know it's a spectrum.

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You know it's a spectrum okay yeah, sometimes they choose to be very analytical, very straightforward, very stoical.

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Very method works, you know, applies to a lot of situations and on the other hand, there are a lot of situations that require a lot of awareness, you know, and that emotional side needs to be triggered and the levels of the, you know, dopamine and stuff like that that need to be inserted into every situation.

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So you need to to measure the correct amounts that you need to invest in order to be successful in that situation.

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But I feel that that kind of that kind of spectrum, you know the going back, back and forth, it's not necessarily kind of the schizophrenia, necessarily kind of the schizophrenia, and no, no, it's just, you know, the activation of one part, one hemisphere of the brain as opposed to the other.

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So sometimes you invest more in the kind of right side of the hemisphere.

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When you write a love letter or you write a great poem, or when you see someone in need, you know a disenfranchised kind of individual you would like to contribute to society, to give back, to be a good person to.

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You know, get those dopamine kind of level raised from being an altruistic type of individual, very philanthropic, for example.

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Just giving back to society, um, just giving back to society.

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And the other times when, when it comes down to problem solving you know, when there's a situation that needs to have a very strict method, you know, to it there's a chronic, chronological kind of logic that needs to be had, you know.

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And organizational skills, you know.

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They come very handy from the left side of the brain.

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So it's a spectrum, as I mentioned.

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It's not one way or the other.

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Well, that's, that's the harmony I guess we all hope to develop, right being able to consciously make that shift to balance the very fun.

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The very fun, the very slight dichotomy that you know, the play between the different hemispheres, it can be very jarring, very rattling type of experience.

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You have paintings and poems and like you've written so, and you're obviously a very deliberately thought out communicator.

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So I assume behind your glasses, glasses under your hairline, it's equally as deliberate whenever you're focusing your thoughts.

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See, there it is, I saw it.

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And so to have that kind of creativity and expression to process and then also to be able to process deliberately in a sequence or in a pattern that you're better able and prefer to manage and think through, that's got to be kind of draining too, because there's a conflict of energy source there, right?

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No, because I'll tell you there's a conflict of energy, of course.

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Of course it's very discombobulating, very disorienting.

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No, because I'll tell you there's a conflict of energy, of course.

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Of course it's very discombobulating, very, very disorient to have, you know, both these functions, uh, in place, you know, but that's just how the brain works.

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Um, there are people who have, you know, been clinically diagnosed as suffering from different, not disabilities, but just hindrances.

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Hindrances, I would say I don't like you know, differently abled and these types of terminology.

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I'm not connected In any shape, form or form.

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I don't appreciate that kind of phrasing that has no meaning behind it.

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It's placation.

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Yeah, you want to placate the wrong.

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You know you're preaching to the wrong choir almost all of the time it's a hindrance.

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I was never diagnosed with any kind of, I don't know, disruption of banking or stuff like that, but I always had a problem distinguishing a situation.

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I always suffered from not being able to, you know, categorize a situation in the right cabinet folder and I always miss it.

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I'll give you an example, please.

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It's, you know, related to relationships and you know romantic relationships, so you would appreciate it.

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In university I took a course in the English department.

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I can't remember exactly which course or what the subject of the course was, but there was a girl and she always seemed kind of a bluster, you know, whenever I was around a class and you know she never approached, she would never, you know, look me directly in the eyes as as you did, you know so aptly and and uh one time we finished, you know, the, the class and uh, I know I don't know how, but we started talking, you know, on the way to the parking lot and, um, she offered to give me a ride and, uh, and I hopped on board.

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You know, she had this kind of, uh, a big, a big, you know uh, transport vehicle.

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I think she was, uh, running a clothing store or something like that, uh, managing your clothing store.

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Maybe that's just an educated guess, but throughout the ride, where we talked about this and that, she let me smoke Sorry for the French so I smoked in the car, I opened up the window, rolled up the window, and she took me home All the car.

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I opened up the window, rolled up the window, and she took me home All the way to my home.

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I don't know where she lives she lives probably not too far away by now but she drove me home and she said well, could you give me your number?

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I don't want to make any mistakes on the way back, I don't want to lose track.

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And she gave me her number and I gave her mine, and we met once, maybe twice after that.

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We met once, maybe twice after that, and foolishly, foolishly, I waited like three years to send her a message.

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And I was that dim, you know?

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Yeah, just to give one example the one that ran away.

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Yeah, it's interesting that balance right the being able to think and process, and then the degree of awareness that comes with the application of that knowledge is like the other half of the equation if you hand the master, you know your servant.

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You hand the master everything on a silver platter.

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You know, anyone that was less morally inclined than I am would have jumped the opportunity you know to maybe form a relationship you know with another person, which is a beautiful thing.

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That's all part of the growing process.

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You know, you make mistakes, you learn, you move on.

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Maybe you make them again, maybe you don't, but that's the experience, you know that.

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That, I think, is why the human condition is called the human condition, because it takes repetition and conditioning to fully understand and appreciate what you have when either you don't have it or still do.

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And so that's, that's one of the I don't know beautiful mysteries of the experience, I suppose.

00:43:48.168 --> 00:43:52.650
But, guy, for the sake of time, I really do appreciate this opportunity.

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Man, I only have one other question for you and I know you have actually to go anyway, since it's late but of all of these experiences and of everything that you've talked about so far, what has it done for you I mean, you talked about internal control for your self-awareness, self-worth.

00:44:09.764 --> 00:44:18.530
What has this insight, this knowledge, the application to some of these stories, what has it done for your self-awareness and self-worth?

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It's like trying to communicate, you know, underwater, you're trying to express the word, you're trying to form the word, you're trying to other the words, but they don't come out as expected.

00:44:37.990 --> 00:45:00.972
Once you learn, you know how to breathe underwater, you know you can express these words, you can shape them into the right consonants, the right pronunciation of each and every vowel.

00:45:00.972 --> 00:45:34.556
I sort of analogize acculturation with being able to speak underwater are when you traverse these hazardous waters.

00:45:34.556 --> 00:45:44.208
The hazardous waters, of course.

00:45:44.208 --> 00:45:48.255
It's a classical metaphor for life yeah, sort of a fish outside of water.

00:45:48.255 --> 00:45:51.123
So I was feeling a lot of that, you know, for a long time.

00:45:51.123 --> 00:46:02.971
But once I discovered learning, education, I discovered there's a process, I discovered that there's a method, a scientific method.

00:46:02.971 --> 00:46:16.559
I discovered there are a lot of basic philosophical, psychological, behavioral principles that are universal, unwavering, unchanging.

00:46:17.983 --> 00:46:22.882
I understood there's a method to the madness the chaos.

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You know the chaos is a primordial type of force.

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The chaos is a primordial type of force.

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This is interwoven, interwoven, okay, to the human experience.

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You know the disambiguation, you know of human, what it means to be a human.

00:46:49.331 --> 00:46:55.134
It's an essential, it's a quintessential element of the human experience.

00:46:55.134 --> 00:47:04.748
We are born out of that chaos and I'll give you an analogy of an impressionistic painting.

00:47:04.748 --> 00:47:26.177
Okay, if you take any type of impressionistic painting, for example Van Gogh, or another example if you ever heard about Henri de Luz-Lautrec, for example, or Renoir.

00:47:29.063 --> 00:47:32.485
The water lilies I think he painted Right, is that him?

00:47:34.842 --> 00:47:37.833
It was Monet Monet.

00:47:37.833 --> 00:47:39.184
Same idea.

00:47:39.184 --> 00:47:47.302
Yes, very respected, very renowned painter artist, let's take Monet.

00:47:47.302 --> 00:47:50.327
Probably it's a better.

00:47:50.327 --> 00:47:59.413
Monet painted the Seine in France.

00:48:00.659 --> 00:48:03.789
Yeah, the river, yeah, and he painted it.

00:48:03.789 --> 00:48:28.630
He replicated the painting, the same perspective, the same configuration, the same composition, but each time he replicated it it depicts a different time of the day.

00:48:28.630 --> 00:48:34.945
Sure, it depicts a different time of the day.

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This is the human experience.

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Impressionism started, you know, after photography.

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After photography was introduced firstly with the Lumiere brothers in France, their atelier in France, painting was regarded as no longer a respected type of expression.

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It wasn't a respected type of medium and Impressionism was born out of necessity, the necessity to keep the ember of creation and creativity alive.

00:49:27.206 --> 00:49:39.646
For artists, impressionistic painting takes a photograph, the medium of the photograph, and flips it on its head.

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Photographs were very, you know, they were fabricated.

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They were not natural at first.

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Each photograph took hours of preparation, the composition, the lighting, all that stuff.

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Technically it took a lot of investment and impressionism takes the opposing view.

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Impressionism takes, you know, takes a snippet of like.

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You know it doesn't look at the whole picture.

00:50:24.889 --> 00:50:32.414
You know, like a photograph, a photograph has a very methodical you knowical, composition.

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It has a beginning, a middle and an end.

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An impressionistic painting cuts off a certain portion of the scene.

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It leaves something to the imagination.

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It's like a camera tilted, you know it leaves something to the imagination.

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It's like, it's like a camera, you know, tilted very fast, and you capture that.

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You know the moment, the, the swivel, and that's what that's.

00:51:05.981 --> 00:51:08.025
That, that's what impressionism is, you know.

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To capture the moment, you know.

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Seize the day.

00:51:09.827 --> 00:51:13.994
You know Carpe Diem, all the postmodern kind of ideals.

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You have to live the day.

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You have to live your life to the fullest.

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You have to be able to express yourself as a free thinker, a free individual, a citizen of the world and not of one nation.

00:51:30.726 --> 00:51:39.894
You know a cosmopolitan, you know, who is well-versed at least a few languages.

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He is a citizen of the world, of the earth.

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This is what impressionism, you know, brought to the world.

00:51:50.344 --> 00:51:57.938
It brought the expression, you know, the clear, natural expression of the human experience.

00:51:57.938 --> 00:52:06.710
The human experience is just, you know, a snapshot, and this is your entire life, just the snapshot.

00:52:09.001 --> 00:52:20.510
The whole, you know, cosmos, yeah, the entire story well, that's the, that's the impression we make, I suppose.

00:52:20.510 --> 00:52:24.005
But, guy, I love your perspective.

00:52:24.005 --> 00:52:31.262
Man, yeah, the imprint this has been a fun conversation, deep, but I enjoyed it.

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It's, you know, it's.

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It's.

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It's conversations like this, I think you know, the ones that enhance the depth of our experiences, when we're talking to people where it's not just breadth, it's not just reach and topical variation, like you said, occasionally you just lean in a little bit and you focus on specificity, but through a different lens.

00:52:53.563 --> 00:52:55.347
I really appreciate it, man.

00:52:55.347 --> 00:53:10.090
Um and again, thank you for your time, thank you, thank you for your input and thank you for your experiences, because I've never met anybody like you and in any literal sense or uniqueness about it.

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I don't know that I will.

00:53:11.965 --> 00:53:12.547
You know what I mean.

00:53:12.547 --> 00:53:21.487
Your ability to communicate your experiences like you have, I think, really makes it, uh, that much deeper of a conversation, so I really do appreciate it, thank you.

00:53:22.300 --> 00:53:23.505
Thank you so much, josh.

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It's been, you know, a pleasure from beginning throughout the end, and hopefully we'll transact more values to the future and the present, because we need an injection of right now in the world.

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It's something that's lacking.

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We need to break the chains of the indoctrination.

00:53:51.260 --> 00:53:57.965
Acculturation that does not comply, does not work in just throwing what sticks.

00:53:57.965 --> 00:54:53.869
You know, uh, this kind of method, when, once it, uh, it works in tandem with the, the feelings, the expression, the emotions, um, your situation, you know your everyday situation, uh, your, your class, your place, the place you are in life, what you're experiencing, the type of career that you chose to pursue, what kind of education you would like to learn, what subjects, what interests you.

00:54:53.869 --> 00:54:58.391
It really can impact quite a bit.

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This is the healthy type of approach of chaos.

00:55:03.989 --> 00:55:10.289
You know, complete chaos it's the blue hat.

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It's the blue hat.

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It's the blue hat.

00:55:12.867 --> 00:55:18.666
Yeah, absolutely, that's it to everybody else.

00:55:18.666 --> 00:55:22.286
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