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Welcome to Transacting Value, where we talk about practical applications for instigating self-worth when dealing with each other and even within ourselves, where we foster a podcast listening experience that lets you hear the power of a value system for managing burnout, establishing boundaries, fostering community and finding identity.
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My name is Josh Porthouse, I'm your host and we are redefining sovereignty of character.
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This is why values still hold value.
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This is Transacting Value.
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It just felt like I was always going three steps forward and two steps back, and after a while, if you don't have the proper values and the proper foundation and a good belief system or hope or faith or love, you know you don't get through.
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Today on Transacting Value how to pivot when you need to.
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How can traveling and immigrating to a new country or even a new culture help to navigate uncharted life circumstances, and what role do those experiences have on our own self-worth for lasting, life-transforming habits?
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Those experiences have on our own self-worth for lasting, life-transforming habits.
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Alongside human behavior specialist and entrepreneur coach, anne-marie Thrives, we're getting unstuck through value systems that resonate inside and out.
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I'm Josh Porthouse, I'm your host and from SDYT Media, this is Transacting Value.
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Anne-marie, how are you doing?
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Great Thanks for having me.
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It's great to meet you Absolutely.
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Oh, you as well.
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You've got such a wild story.
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It's hard to believe that you're one person of all the things you've been through, and I want to hit as much of it as we can, but I think the smoothest way to do this is to let you open us up.
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So just take a couple minutes before me.
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You know who are you, where are you from, those kinds of things, but what kinds of things in life are shaping your perspective now?
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Who are you?
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So my name is Ann Marie and I was born in in Italy, and we immigrated here when I was seven and you know it was really tough when we got here because everything was different, you know the food, the people, the environment.
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I lived in a very coastal town, right on the water, and we weren't landlocked but we were, way you know, five minutes from the ocean versus 25 minutes from the ocean, um, geez.
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I just remember one time when I was little you know how Italians sometimes they take they'll do like a little siesta in the afternoon and I remember um grabbing a bag, you know, like one of those bags that you put, uh, groceries in the plastic bags, one of those bags that you put groceries in the plastic bags.
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And it was like two o'clock in the afternoon.
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I put a knife in there, put on my jellies and walked down to the ocean, started cutting up the sea urchins on the rocks and I just sat there with my lemon and I ate them.
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And I went back home and nobody even knew I was gone.
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Oh wow, that's how close to the ocean.
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We were.
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Anyway, I don't know why that came up, but different days now and just having to be in school and not knowing anything, sitting in the back of the classroom, like I would be in the classroom as part of the group during parts of the day and then other parts of the day still in the classroom, but in the back, um, being uh, tutored with flashcards, and so, um, you know, when kids don't understand things or we don't understand things, you know there was a lot of bullying going on because obviously my parents don't speak the language either.
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Then, when they did, they had this wicked accent, you know, and um, and then the whole culture being different, you know, we didn't celebrate the same holidays that that we did here and um, Thanksgiving is one of my favorite holidays now, and, uh, and so we, we didn't have that, so trying to be like everybody else and making a Turkey and pumpkin pie and stuff like that, you know um but just generally not fitting in because we were just so different, but trying to fit in at the same time.
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So, you know, it's just all of these.
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So then you go from one school to another, to another, and it's just constantly trying to find the people that you know.
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Water finds its own level, just finding the people, and for me it was one and two.
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You know, and, and that's it.
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I, I, those are, those were my buddies for life.
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Um one of them passed away um a few years ago and, um, you know it's, it's just as you go through life.
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People are there, then they're not, and you have to have those pivots.
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Um then, you know, then they're not and you have to have those pivots.
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And you know, in my early 20s I got into a very bad accident.
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I just finished, I got my degree in business administration and management and I, you know, I just got this new job I'd been a temp and they were going to, you know, take me on full time, my insurance and everything, all my benefits kicked in October 1st and October 20th slam.
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I am paralyzed for quite some time, have a traumatic brain injury, have to learn how to talk, how to, you know, just live life again.
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But the neat thing was cause I like to look at the silver lining through everything was, you know, having that insurance that was way better than what I had before.
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I was able to be in a private room because sometimes, when you know, having that insurance, that was way better than what I had before.
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I was able to be in a private room because sometimes, when you know when you're in that amount of pain or you have a brain injury, for me it was a lot of headaches, migraine, not being able to handle noise and sensory things around me, and so I was able to be put in a private room as part of my insurance.
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So those are the things I kind of look at.
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You know, a few years later got back on my feet and it happened again.
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I think somebody ran a stop sign or something and so different parts got injured and just kind of moving through life, you know, taking care of my dad, having my friend that I spoke of her name was Chris, she was a physician's assistant and while he was here with the disease that he had, it was like having a 24 seven nurse because she, she had hurt her elbow and was convalescing and so she, her sleep pattern pattern was a little crazy, so I had her around the whole time and then my dad passed and a couple months later I got diagnosed with breast cancer.
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So, um, you know, yeah, I actually was on a podcast because somebody had heard about what.
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You know, what I've been through life.
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Yeah, it was.
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You can't make this shit, I T up.
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She's like I think you're my gal, I know and and so, but I I just look at them, at things that that happened for me.
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You know, instead of things that happened to me, there were their periods of anger and you know, like, where's God in my pain?
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Where's God period?
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you know, just going through those emotions because it just felt like I was always going three steps forward and two steps back and after a while, if you don't have the proper values and the proper foundation and a good belief system or hope, or faith or love, you know you don't get through.
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And.
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I feel like those were the things that got me through, those values that got instilled in me when I was little.
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Sometimes they were distorted, but, you know, as you grow in life you start to grasp onto the things that matter and it helps you to live a fuller life.
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And I, through all of these things, wanted to teach other people how to.
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You know, go through these.
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It's not the end of the world.
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Go through these.
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It's not the end of the world, even through death.
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You know, having lost I think one year we lost seven, no, 18 people in 17 months, including my father, his brother, you know just a lot of key people my friend Chris, who was the physician's assistant, and my high school buddy, yeah, so it's like all of these key people that you know you go to for life's help are now gone and they're not there anymore.
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And then, with COVID, I noticed even for myself, a lot of people were had to pivot.
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Whether they wanted to or not, you know they had to they found themselves in a different position.
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Um, maybe their police position was eliminated, maybe they lost people that they cared for?
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Um, and just the whole crisis in general, I think, left a lot of people stuck and unable to to really move, just out of fear.
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Um, you know, because none of us knew what was going to happen or or how things were going to turn out, and we had to turn to other things and maybe try to trust other things that we normally wouldn't trust before.
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It's like for a lot of people, being online is a big deal, you know.
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So, learning, technologies and community I think there's a lot of controversial stuff that goes with COVID, but I, you know, again, I'm always looking for that silver lining.
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So I'm looking at the fact that, you know, maybe your grandmother couldn't talk to you before, but now she, you know, just talk to her, but now you could talk to her and see her because you know she figured out how to get on Zoom or something you know.
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So I like to help people that have been through you know, big, figured out how to get on zoom or something you know, um.
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so I like to help people that have been through, you know, big traumas, big shifts in life.
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You know, constant.
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I feel that there's there's a certain mindset that we need to have to go through life, you know, like a thriving mindset that no matter what happens, I'm going to be okay, and to have that hope.
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And when you don't have it, you don't have that mental agility to.
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You know, kind of be like Gumby and just bend, you know, so that you can do the things you need to do to get out of that place.
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Like when I got into my accident, it was like, all right, this is where I am right now.
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Where do I want to be?
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How am I going to get there?
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What steps do I want to be?
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How am I going to get there?
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What steps do I need to take to get there?
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And so throughout my life I feel like I've been asking myself the same questions as things happen, and so I want to be able to help people to.
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You know, if they're in that spot or they can't figure out, you know, maybe you just got divorced, maybe you lost your husband or significant other or whatever, or your job is gone now and you have to reinvent.
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So those are the things that I like to help people with.
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It's just kind of jumping over that hurdle that it's not as bad as it looks, is there?
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going to be work.
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Yeah.
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Is it going to hurt?
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Yeah, because you have to grow.
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Anytime you grow, there's growing pains, but it's not impossible.
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Alrighty, folks sit tight, We'll be right back on Transacting Value.
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Is there going to be work?
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Yeah.
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Is it going to hurt?
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Yeah, because you have to grow.
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Anytime you grow, you know there's growing pains, but it's not impossible.
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Yeah, absolutely not.
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And the interesting thing you said well, one of the interesting things you said you know about three steps forward and two steps back is it's always still one step forward.
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So you know how you manage that, how you handle it may not be at a pace you prefer, but it's a pace nonetheless.
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That's moving forward and that counts for a lot.
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But the hope that you brought up as well.
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I think there's only one way to instigate purpose and I think it has to be grounded in hope, because without that it really doesn't matter the good you could do, because you don't see it or you don't see it that way, and that changes a lot of things Absolutely.
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But so of all of the opportunities and of all of the things you had to work through, so how do you think you came about to identifying those pivot points or the need to pivot?
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I mean, like you said, there's plenty of setbacks and mental and emotional and behavioral traumas that you have to work through.
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What do you think was a trigger for you that helped you to pivot?
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I try to watch my first words because our words matter, you know they.
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You know I don't want to get all new agey or whatever.
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Matter, you know they.
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You know I don't want to get all new agey or whatever.
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That's not what I'm about.
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But I I believe that our, our words create our lives, and so, um, we were talking earlier about how you have children.
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You know, and I feel that if a child is, let's say a child is walking down the street and you're right behind them, you know, and they trip over something and they fall, I used to work at kids church, at my church, and one thing that I learned is that if you get into a state of fear in front of that child, right, it makes whatever's going on with that kid worse than it is.
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It could be just the smallest of scrapes or it could be a big gash that you have to take them to the hospital.
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For how we react with them, you know, getting down on their level and saying I'm so sorry this happened to you.
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Let's figure out what we can do instead of.
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You know, I'm Italian, so what first thing we do is probably scream oh my God.
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You know, and so I noticed that you know that might not be the best way to handle the situation, and so it's OK to scream.
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It's OK to do that, but in certain situations, because we need our minds to accept what's happened, to speak life into it, even if it looks like death, because then there isn't that.
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You know that closure that happens, you know, kind of like that tightness of the belt to where, you know, one of the worst words that our brains can hear is I can't, because as soon as it hears that it stops.
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You know, and you've got the hypothalamus back there that believes anything that you tell it.
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It's just constantly listening.
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So, whether it's good or it's bad, it's there and it's listening, and it's going to take what your mind is going to take what you say and try to bring reality to it, because it believes that what you just said is the truth.
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So it starts to find ways to make that happen right.
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And so we need to be in that state of hope and not freak out when things happen and I mean, I've had plenty of opportunities to freak out and I did.
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I learned that you know it's.
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It doesn't help you or the situation, if you, you know, just come from a place of fear and a place of hopelessness, because there's always someone there that can help you.
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Someone there, like when I had, you know, my rollover, where I was paralyzed it was very early in the morning and a few days later, because I lost control of the car.
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Um, one of the wheels had fallen off, I didn't know it, and so the car was going, you know, side to side and eventually, you know, there was a song back then, cause this was uh, early nineties, I think, yeah, and uh, I love music.
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It was playing on the radio was Curie Lason, which is, you know, I don't know if you know that, remember that song, but basically it's, it's a Latin term that means Lord, have mercy, right.
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And so it's like Lord, have mercy on the road that I must travel.
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But now the Lord that the road that I'm traveling is like coming out from under me, you know.
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And I remember thinking to myself I can't control the car anymore, it's just going everywhere it wants.
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No matter how I turn the wheel, it seems to go in the opposite direction.
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And I'm listening to this song and I'm thinking to myself this is interesting.
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And then I was like I think I'm going to die, because that's how bad the car was just going.
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And it was a big car because I had borrowed my dad's blazer just to put more stuff in the car to bring to my new apartment that was right next to my new job, you know, um.
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And so I thought to myself I'm gonna die and I just closed my eyes.
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And then I remember hearing let go of the wheel, because I was trying to control the situation.
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But when I let go of the wheel, what they told me?
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There there was a guy behind me who was he was a lawn keeper and he was going.
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He had his own lawn business, so he was going somewhere early in the morning, and then there were two guys on you know the overpass where I was going, and so they told me how the car went back and forth and back and forth and I was not wearing my seatbelt that day.
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Back and forth and back and forth and I was not wearing my seatbelt that day.
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Um, and I'm glad that I wasn't, because when the car went up on the embankment it it hit a tree right in the driver's door and it went in like this, and if I had my seatbelt on my head would have been right there and I would have.
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I would have been, it would have hit me right in the temple, you know.
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Um, so these are the things that I look at and why did they happen?
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And and not, you know, not to the point where you're like, why did this happen to me?
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Or, you know, when you internalize things too much, that's not a good thing for us either, but just looking back and being grateful, you know is is one of the things that that helped me.
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So how can I get myself out?
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And just you know, as you go through, things there's, there's never.
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You may feel like you're backed into a corner.
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That's one of the things that I learned, but we're never really backed into a corner, because there's always a way out.
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You know we may be in that mystery room.
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I don't know where the door is, but I promise you there's more where the door is.
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but I promise you there's more.
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Even as a kid you think that I mean.
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Obviously you got through that as well.
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But I mean, when you came to the States in the beginning, the language was different, the culture was different, the people were different, the customs courtesies were different.
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That alone has to be overwhelming and, you know, curious and frightening, and everything all at once.
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How do you rationalize that when you really don't have one of your senses to try to reason through the situation?
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You know, school was very hard for me.
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So then, coming home and being with my family, you know, helped because we all shared the same struggle.
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So we kind of helped each other out with those struggles, you know, and and we'd talk about the stuff that happened, you know which, which was a neat thing.
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And it became like I had like two comfort zones, because now I'm integrating into the culture but I'm also going back home with that culture and so there was great things that were going on with that culture and then other things happening in the other culture.
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So it's like you're between these two places and they each have their sweet spot, you know.
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And the household was loud and I've never been a loud person, with or without the brain injury, you know.
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But the neat thing was there was a library literally right across the street.
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So I would like go to the library.
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I got to study or whatever, and that was, that was my piece.
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So you look for places where you could find that piece.
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Hopefully it's in a healthy, you know, in a healthy way, but there's always a place to, you know, go a healthy way, but there's always a place to, you know, go to, to regroup.
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And I think there's a lot of things that we can, that you know, a lot of resources that we have now that we didn't have before, and so I there's a lot of resources out there to help us to get out of the funk that we're in were in.
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For me it was.
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It was either quiet or, you know, sometimes those voices are so barraging with the doubt that, for you know, music is a big thing for me, and sometimes I turn that music on so loud that I can't even hear myself think, which is a good thing, because vibrations our bodies are, you know, we're, we're energy, we're light, and so there's that vibration there, right?
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Because doubt and unbelief and fear bring your vibration down, and so by increasing the vibration, it starts to build like the serotonin and the dopamine and the stuff that we need to change our moods serotonin and the dopamine and the stuff that we need to change our moods.
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So I'm big on self-care, whether it's journaling, music, you know, taking long walks, whatever it is that you need to take care of yourself, you know, do that.
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I take a lot of like five minute timeouts, you know, sometimes it's a process and balance.
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Yeah, Because thinking is a is a wonderful thing, and having a vision for your life, even if you're not sure what it is.
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You know, I teach, um, I started teaching a couple of years ago.
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Uh, not see this.
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This is what happens once in a while.
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Vision board workshops yes.
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And so you know, just to give people hope that you know there's still life out there and statistics show that people who have goals and write them down or have them up are people who succeed.
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I think it's like 80 to 90 percent very high, it's like 90 something but not only the ones that write them down.
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It's like a scale of increase.
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So those who have them and don't write them down, there's a percentage.
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Those who have them and do, it's a higher percentage.
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And so the numbers keep going up the more you revisit those goals, because our minds see the image like we were talking about before and then it tries to make itself into that image.
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The numbers keep going up, the more you revisit those goals, because our minds see the image like we were talking about before and then it tries to make itself into that image.
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That's sort of the key then too.
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I suppose you either come up with the image on your own intuition, or whatever creative spark applies.
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Right whatever creative spark applies, right.
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Or you find the inspiration somewhere in something else and then create or recreate something similar, right.
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So, in gaining the inspiration for how you wanted to recover and how you wanted your life to be and what you want it to become, I mean, even now, where do you like you've become an inspiration for people and a way for people to gain a perspective that you know?
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No offense to your circumstances, but hopefully they don't have to go through.
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Yeah.
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And so, where do you find inspiration?
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Where do you get your vision from?
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What do you draw from?
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Well, I draw from the Bible.
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That's my biggest inspiration, because there's so many uh stories of people that have overcome adversity.
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One of the books that I wrote was about Esther, and she's one of the heroines that saved the Jewish people.
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Uh, when they were in Babylonian captivity, and so she turned the fear of you know her uncle Mordecai they were she was taken into the harem.
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He was working for the king, you know, he was one of the people at the palace, and so when they found out about this edict, which is a law that the people were going to be, you know, he said to her you know, how do you know, if God didn't put you here in this place for such a time as this?
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And she was like, well, you don't understand, if I don't get called in by him, calling me in, right, and I go in there by myself without being invited, I could die.
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That's a law.
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And so she decided she was going to fast, she was going to pray.
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She did that for three days.
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She asked him for do this, to do the same thing, and she put her fear aside and went forward and, you know, made up a plan that you know she was going to tell him what was happening and you know, she was accepted into the room.
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She wasn't killed and she was able to, you know, save her people.
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And so that that moment of putting aside our fear because for me, when I was laying in the hospital bed, right, it's like I had to go to the bathroom, really bad when they took me to the hospital and I remember the nurse saying to me you know, she put her hand on my shoulder and I'm like I really gotta pee and she goes, and she goes just like because they hadn't told me anything yet.
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You know, she put her hand on my shoulder and I'm like I really gotta pee and she goes, and she goes just like cause I hadn't told me anything yet, you know, um, I just I'm on adrenaline, but I haven't tried to get up and walk yet, you know.
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And so I'm not really feeling anything just yet.
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And so she put her hand on my shoulder and she said to me she said, honey, she goes.
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I don't want to scare you, she goes, but you can't move a muscle because you're going to be completely paralyzed if you do.
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And I'm like, what do you mean?
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Completely?
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What are you talking about?
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And the funny thing is is that God will I choose it to call it God, you can call it the universe or whatever you want but I feel like people come in at just the right time, you know, and the the first doctor that came in, he was like, oh, you're doing OK, you just got a few cuts or whatever, and you know we're going to release you in a few minutes and you should be all right, ok, so, still on adrenaline, not feeling it much, just at the time that I was about to get up to to you know, like he said, you're going to be discharged.
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I was about to get up to to, you know, like he said, you're going to be discharged.
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My brother comes walking through the room.
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He comes walking in and the guy's like, okay, you can get up now and leave.
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And I and I tried to get up and I could move my shoulders but and I can move my hands, but I can't move my legs and I can't move my legs, my shoulders and my whole body together.
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You know how you try to get out of bed and your whole body just kind of with you.
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That wasn't happening and I was like this and my brother was like you get out of here and get another freaking doctor those his words, right and you lay there until somebody else comes.
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So the guy left and he got another doctor and they took me because I hadn't even been x-rayed at that point.
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So when the x-ray came back, there was a vertebrae in the middle of my spine that had had cracked all the way, like straight, like this, and it had bent in and the spinal cord was an eighth of an inch from being severed.
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Good thing was, you know, the the break was clean and there were no fragments anywhere, right, and so I was flat on my hiney for months on end because they did not want to flip me over, because flipping me over would dip me, which would make the bone dip, which would cut the spinal cord, and so they didn't want to do surgery, they wanted me to lay flat.