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I'm really glad you guys stopped by. So let's cover our next episode. Alrighty, folks. Welcome back to SD YT the podcast. We're nearing the end of February 20 22 already.

This year is moving, but we still understand that despite different perspectives, paces, backgrounds, ethnicities, cultures, dynamics of life, We at least can speak from a common denominator of shared values.

And in the month of February, what we're talking about for our core values are love, kindness and patience. But what does that have to do with anything outside of romance or outside of raising kids?

I'm glad you asked. That's exactly what we're going to discuss. The subtle art of rhetoric, and what that has to do with love, kindness, and patience.

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Alrighty, folks. Now, I understand this is probably not the topic for dinner conversation. But I disagree. Here's why. So Aristotle, common household name, I'm sure, frame a reference for every conversation that takes place naturally.

Philosopher, ancient Greece. Now, he talked about rhetoric in terms of trying to define it as the ability and art of persuasion.

He talked about pathos and ethos and logos and how they revolved around a speaker. His message or her message and how well the audience received those 2 things, how they were able to, as a speaker, elicit emotion from an audience.

Or as an audience how well a message was received based on resulting actions, activities, and conversations.

And then, obviously, the word play that the speaker used, He also framed this context in 3 different tenses, essentially past present and future.

Now, he called them forensic in the past. Demonstrative in the present and deliberative in the future. Right? You could hypothesize what might happen.

How could we have done this better? Or how could we do this better? What went wrong. Right? Future or deliberative. What went wrong being in the past. And forensic, what does any of that have to do with love, or kindness, or patience?

Relationships are all about persuasion. Matter of fact, last week, we talked with Sebastian Barche, about 6 different aspects, descriptions of love, as applied to ancient Greek references.

We talked about their relevance to all sorts of different topics. I'm a take 3 of them. Lutus, and Felaucia. Here's why. These 3 depictions or descriptions of love. All involve some semblance of a facade.

And we tell our kids don't lie to each other. Don't lie to me, especially I'm your parent. I'm not 1 of your friends. Okay. Sure. But those aren't the only kinds of relationships, parents to to children or children to parents.

What about between friends? What about on Tinder? What about Facebook match dot com, bumble grinder, and all these other websites? People lie all the time. MTV had a show about it called Catfish.

But this isn't about fake social media profiles, masquerading, as somebody else or some other image while applicable, especially when we're talking about passion or lust or desire, eroticism, things like these these these types of goals.

Sure. Eros is all about deceit.

Not as a focus, but as a means to an end. There are plenty of genuine people. Plenty down to earth people. That do not lie about what they're trying to accomplish, but the end state isn't the only thing that can be truthful or not.

See, for example, I could be 62I could have a master's degree. I could drive a sports car or not. I could be wealthy or not top grossing producer on only fans.

Whether or not those things apply is irrelevant. But those are a little bit more extreme, and I think a little bit more stereotypical. Here's the other aspect if you tell me about your interests, and I tell you I have similar interests.

But I'm able to inject little elements of truth. To bolster up larger aspects of falsehood. Well, it's still plausible. Right? It's a believable cover story.

But that doesn't make it any less deceitful. If you factor in the intention of what I'm trying to accomplish, Let's say, get your phone number and sleep with you that night. Well, but I'm using persuasion to accomplish that.

Effectually, demonstrative rhetoric. Some topics that come up might be a little bit more forensic. Like, for example, this is where I lived and grew up in vacations as a child or family vacations, whatever.

No way. I've been there too. Well, that's a little bit more plausible of an example. Right? I don't have to say that I'm 62A hundred and 85 pounds of chiseled muscle. And no matter how much I think I am, I'm not.

But plausible deniability helps with persuasion, because it's just that much more potentially believable. And so that's where logos, or from the speaker's perspective, Wordplay comes into effect. This, in genuine facade though.

Usually, especially when you're defining love by 6 different angles. Is meant to build a more loving relationship. That love could be revolving around eros. That love could also, though, be revolving around Lutus.

Right? This is like the type of love between children. Friends on a playground. Imagination, jokes, pranks. See, if you've got to convince people, that something that's invisible exists or not.

We're not talking about religion. That's that's neither here nor there, even though I guess it is a little applicable. But what we're talking about, like I said, kids on a playground.

Right? Now, I totally tag you. I'm shooting lasers at you. I've I've been doing it for, like, 17 hours, right like these claims. You ever made a fort with a cardboard box or turned it into a pirate ship?

Or use the couch cushion and some pillows to build yourself buildings or serve food that's invisible? What good is an imagination to a child if adults can't use creativity to solve complex problems?

Oh, but that's deceitful. Have you ever tried to pitch a business? Have you ever tried to convince somebody to give you money? For anything, it takes some work, but that's persuasion.

And it doesn't matter if that relationship is out of care or some relative altruism, but it may not always be deceit for a negative reason. So, if it's casual enjoyment, if it's passion and desire.

These are reasons, maybe for deceit or some form of facade. To pretend you're somebody you're not. If it makes somebody laugh and it gets you a foot in the door, and then you're more comfortable together, drop the veil.

You become more vulnerable in relationships build. It happens all the time. And that's natural too. That doesn't necessarily make it wrong.

It becomes wrong when you use it to take advantage of other people. Better angels, I suppose. People trying to be nice, people trying to be courteous, people trying to be respectful, or professional in whatever varying degrees apply.

And then you lie on a resume, or you lie about your skill sets, or you lie about who you are, what you stand for, maybe even your values just so you can sleep with somebody?

Oh, be friends with somebody. Maybe you're a kid. And you just want to be somebody's friend. But it seems harmless enough.

Right? And so you pretend you're somebody you're not. Or maybe you're embarrassed and you're ashamed and you do it to protect yourself. Self love, Felatia, is a third form of love that we talked about last week as well.

But out of protection, maybe because you're ashamed or embarrassed. Or you're trying to shore up your defenses, so to speak, against whatever you feel that makes you more vulnerable.

Does that make it wrong? Does that make it? It's ingrained into our DNA. And really with rare exception, even throughout history, everybody's tried to protect what they care about.

Them, their money, their family, their land, their resources, their power, but whether you're taking care of yourself and what's yours.

Or of others, and it's a bit more playful, a bit more innocent maybe, or not, and it's just a bit more physical, or purely physical. People lie all the time. But that involves persuasion. I am this, you are this.

I like this, you like this too. It's all present tense. It's once you start discussing, this deliberative aspect of rhetoric. Future concerns and considerations. That's when people get vulnerable. That's when people get real and raw.

That's when things change. This week, we're talking present, we're talking past. How do you use these things to set a pattern. How do you use these things to convince people? How do you use these aspects, these words to persuade people?

That your background and your upbringing or your present. Maybe aren't who you say you are for any number of reasons good, bad, or indifferent. We'll get more on that in just a minute for right now.

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In the meantime, at present, I'm really glad you stopped by. If you're just joining us, welcome back, or welcome to the podcast to get your first time we're talking about is love kindness and patience as our core values for February.

And specifically, what that has to do with rhetoric, persuasion, and deceit. See, here's the thing. In that first segment, We talked about eros, Luotus, and Felaucia.

3 forms of ancient Greek descriptions of different aspects of love. Love doesn't always mean neuroticism. It's sort of the general connotation, especially in English and most other Latin based languages.

Where love is depicted either only by 1 word or just well, you can love somebody but you can love your friends, and you can love your hobbies, and you can love your dog.

But you certainly don't love your dog the way you love your spouse. At the very least, you don't show it the same way.

Generally, I guess. But that's why there's at least from this context. Different aspects. Okay? And so if we're talking about deceit and we're talking about present tense, persuasion, past tense. Persuasion. I was, I did, I went.

Maybe I learned about, or I saw, I heard, And it's not true? Oh, you're lying. That's bad. That's what we're all taught as kids. And usually, it is. But here's the thing. We're teaching kids, and I'm not a psychologist.

I'm not a psychiatrist. I just happen to have been a kid once, and now I'm not. And so from my perspective, when we're teaching kids how to be kind to other people, It's a lot easier to establish a generic baseline.

Don't lie. Period full stop. And then as you get older or as they get older, 1 of the 2 of you matures to a direction where you're able to describe it better.

And it's okay. Well, yes, lying is bad, but joking's okay. I'm sorry. Hold on. Isn't a joke not true? Well, I mean, yeah, sort of.

But it involves a little bit more humor even though it's not true. Okay. So it makes it okay if a lie is funny, because then a lie that's funny is just a joke. So Yeah. No. You gotta feel it out, social cues, you know.

And so as kids grow up. And in some cases, as adults grow up, maybe you still don't realize the difference. And it's difficult, so you stray away from jokes and you find other ways to be humorous.

Oh, yeah. Okay. Lies and jokes pretty similar. Got it. What about White Lies? Well, colors and ethnicities of lies aside. Here's the thing. If somebody asks me, Do these genes make me look fat? Yeah.

Yeah. They do. Because if you didn't want an honest answer, you wouldn't have asked. In my opinion, maybe it's wrong, but it is what it is. That doesn't mean I'm judging you for being fat or for having more fat on your body than I do.

But, If you want an honest answer and you ask a question that's going to leave you vulnerable, you've got to be willing to accept whatever the answer might be.

Now, on the other hand, if we're talking white lies, and you say, do these genes make me look fat? And I say, no.

Mm-mm. No. Okay. But maybe they do. And here's the thing. Depending on your perspective, it's not the genes that make you look fat. And this is men or women. It doesn't matter. But it's not the genes that make you look fat.

At all, In fact, if anything, it's the genes that smooth everything out. It's the genes that make you look But attractive. It's the genes that make you look like, if anything, you're wearing jeans.

But if your circle of friends is shallow enough to where they're guiding your self image and your self esteem, or actually judging you and basing your friendship off of how you want them to think you look?

Maybe you should find some new friends. See a person's appearance is not always indicative of their behavior or thought process.

Sometimes it can't be helped. But if I'm wearing flip flops or if I'm walking around barefoot in places where that's relatively socially acceptable, I don't need to be judged for it.

It doesn't make me homeless. I can still be a person. And so you can still be a decent person.

Right? It's not about necessarily always how you look. Sure. First impressions are a big difference. And if you're the best dressed in the room, well, you can be the most inconsiderate person in there.

Or the nicest most benevolent. In either case, clothes don't always make the person. So does it really matter if the genes make you look fat? No. How did the jeans make you feel? Do you feel comfortable in them?

Do you like the way you look? strap them on. Let's put them on. Let's go. Right? Not a problem. And that's okay. So is he white lies I think are a little bit more expressionist to say they're not gonna darken your soul.

Right? They're not as bad. Because you're doing it with the intent of trying to make somebody feel better, as opposed to lying to try to get away with something.

As opposed to joking where you're trying to make everybody laugh. Maybe it's misplaced in no time, but the attempt's there. Right? And so, This is depicted everywhere.

Disney movies all the time. All sorts of characters lie there. Books. All sorts of characters lie in books. Real life, people lie all the time. History books, math books, even. Right? Well, People don't lie in math books?

Well, of course, they do. Here's an example. Math is a hard science. Right? Facts figures, numbers, can't change it. Okay. Can't change it. Got it. But, if I represent certain equations with numbers, and certain equations with letters.

Or, equations only with letters that represent other letters, and imaginary numbers. Well, if half truths, our whole lives, Then numerical equations with only letters can't possibly always be true.

Right? Maybe I'm wrong, but It's also not a hard science. So, it is what it is. If we're talking the art of rhetoric, though, it's just a persuasion.

It's not all fact. Right. So, what we're discussing here in this conversation, and in this episode, is how persuasion can enhance and influence relationships. And in this case, from me as a speaker, to you as an audience.

Does it matter realistically if math can be true or false? In the way I just described it, No. Doesn't really do anything. But is it plausible that it could fit the description of what we're talking about?

Sure. And that's really all that matters. Right? It can be that far off and extreme and hard to swallow, or this sort of level of deceit can be commonly accepted.

The seat commonly accepted? Where? How? Well, here's an example. Muhammad Ali. Mark Twain, M and m, triple h. Right. These are all examples.

Of people entertainers arguably in their own rights and in their own fields and industries. But, they used different names, not for different reasons, but they use different names than the ones they were given at birth.

Okay? Or Anytime a musician uses a stage name. That's not actually their name. Anytime a writer uses a pseudonym. Or an actor, goes by a different name, or an actor portrays a different in identity entirely.

From Shakespeare and Actors and Breffour to modern day video in straight plays. Right. There's an element of deceit, but it's for different reasons. It's not actors saying they're Jason Born or James Bond.

For the sake of trying to convince you to pay money so they can get royalties. As much as it is trying to convince you that there are these people and these roles and these characters to entertain you and give you humor or pull emotion.

Out of an audience so that you enjoy time and life. For that little moment that they have in comparison to 80 years, of the opportunity to entertain you.

And I think that's where the line gets drawn. See, putting up a facade and being in genuine, isn't always a bad thing. For a lot of these reasons. And sometimes, maybe it's even an element of sacrifice. Right.

So, you Why? To make somebody else feel better. You take the blame for somebody else's mistake. Or maybe you wanna protect your family. This happened all the time throughout history as well. People hiding in other people's houses.

Claiming nobody was there. Right? Aiding and abetting carries a negative connotation, but technically speaking, it's the same concept. Right. Well, it doesn't change the fact that people then were hiding in these houses.

Sure. But they're trying to protect lives. And help people because they didn't agree with whatever was happening that led them to hide in the first place. Yeah. But that's a lie. Yeah. But that's also protecting somebody else.

Loving somebody else. Now loving somebody else from a genuine perspective. To help protect them? Well, at the same time, lying to whoever the officer was at the door, or at least trying to persuade them. That your lie was true.

And that's certainly not erotic. Lutus perhaps, but it goes a bit deeper than that. And maybe it's out of a self love and a protection for yourself and your family and what you own. At any rate, sometimes trying to surprise somebody.

Sometimes trying to sacrifice and protect somebody. That can be worth trying to persuade somebody to think differently. And in some cases, that may even mean you're not as genuine as you should be or could be.

Ways to learn to articulate these ideas, and opportunities to build a broader sense in perspective, still rooted in positive value and a strength or strong character.

Helps. When that happens in life is irrelevant. It's respective and relative to everybody. Maybe you're 75. Maybe your 25, maybe your 5.

Doesn't matter. The point is it exists, and to understand that there are ways to communicate that is even more important. Whether you're reading science fiction books, playing with cardboard boxes and designing forts.

Maybe you're watching movies, maybe you're actually discussing morals and ethics and purpose. However, it happens. Surprisingly somebody. Dressing up in a costume on a holiday.

You're creating joy. You're trying to better somebody's life. Sometimes, takes a little patience to develop that aspect and that capability. Sometimes, it takes a little bit of kindness to understand when you went too far how to fix it.

But either way, if we're gonna try to work together to combine and conquer the issues that we've got as a society, and to better understand, the value of our values.

We have to communicate about them to survive folks. That's how it goes. At any rate, I appreciate you stopping by.

As we're talking about love, kindness, and patience as our core values for February in this particular episode, We're talking about the subtle art of rhetoric and its relation to all of those things.

I appreciate you taking the time to hang out. I'm Porter. I'm your host. And that was SD YT of the podcast.